Tuesday, February 27, 2007

My Uzi Weighs an Ounce


All things being equal (yeah right), it might be easy for one to take to heart the ideas espoused by dangerous minds like John Lomax over at the Houston Press. It has been his contention – and I am paraphrasing (to say the least) – that hip-hop has replaced rock as the music that moves the great white masses. It has been his contention for quite some time now that we are all currently praying at the altar of Mark Ecko and stepping in line to the words of Tupac, while forever turning away from the sounds of the angst ridden youth with a guitar and a mission. I love John, he’s a friend and he’s been good to me, but sometimes he spreads the bullshit on a little thick. For one thing, hip-hop has hardly usurped rock in the minds of pasty mall-crawling Hot Topic addicts, as far as I can tell. In fact, guys like Fall Out Boy, and My Chemical Romance, and a whole host of what I call MTV metal bands seem to have done a fine job of capturing the attention of deluded teens the nation over. And let's not even get into the subject of country or pop. Sure white kids buy an assload of rap CDs, and this contributes to the falling sales of the types of music white marketers look to for signs of health in the industry; but to naggingly claim the demise of rock at the hands of hip-hop is more than myopic, it’s downright retarded.

Am I in turn downplaying the role of rap in cracker culture? I’m not saying that at all. But this contention that we should all hang up our guitars and buy a couple turntables and some gold fronts is a little premature, if not entirely half-baked. I know that for rap to have become as big as it has, it needs the cash heavy white audience to keep those sales up, and it strives to promote the negative images of black America that ultimately feed the worst kind of racism, and that’s the kind that works its way into the fiber of white culture. It goes unspoken, but it is so ingrained as to be inseparable from other regularly held views on the world at large. White audiences are lured by the sheen of rap’s flashy stylizations, but they aren’t really interested in who makes this music and what the artists are really like as people. That would require a level of acceptance that is simply not forthcoming any time soon. If white America was so keen to drop everything and totally embrace black culture and rap, then why is it that the only rap you even hear that makes much of an impact on the white masses anymore is the most overstated, misogynistic, violent stuff out there? Where’s the clamor for the intelligent, well-written, and highly creative work that is basically considered underground at this point? There isn’t one. It’s not sexy, so it gets no play. You don’t have to be a racist blowhole like Bill O’Reilly to see the problems inherent in mainstream rap.

This whole thing brings to mind the flap over how downloading was killing the industry and how we have to get all William Gibson about it and recognize that if we don't do something right away, all music will die in an orgiastic frenzy of illegal downloads. This concept, too, is complete bullshit. Sure, downloads have had a very real impact on the industry, but really, who gives a shit about the industry? This is about loving music, and it's about making music. The scum that exist to exploit art for the purposes of commerce above anything else aren't worth mentioning in this discussion. And they are the ones who want you to believe that you must go out and buy tons of CDs and continue to support their efforts to keep things from changing, from growing into something better, because as long as they control the playing field, you don't. A few weeks ago we were treated to John's cover article on the demise of the CD. Now I'm not saying CDs will never die, what I'm saying is that they aren't exhibiting their death throes quite yet. And when this topic was brought up in here (a place full of music lovers/collectors), the CD was still very much a thriving format. Sure we burn CDRs, but we also buy CDs religiously. But there's Lomax out there putting his neck out and claiming the party's over. it's not. It looks cool to claim it in print and be an alarmist, but it's a little irresponsible to be so forthcoming with bad information.

And I chalk this idea up in the same category as the one in which Lomax posits that white people need to pay more attention to the current trends in black music as though it is our obligation, without making a similar claim for black audiences. Can you imagine any black critic telling his predominately black audience that they should take more time to check out the music of Panic at the Disco? Neither can I (try though I might). So why should someone like me make the effort to check out the new Lil Wayne? I’m not into macho posturing and callous indifference to human life, so why should I like his rapping? I read an interview with that clown and he reads like a bad John Leguizamo movie (like there’s a good one). Maybe this white guilt Lomax espouses is a vestigial element of his pedigree. For those of you who aren’t familiar, John Lomax is the great grandson of the infamous John Lomax who was at the heart of preserving the sound of the Delta blues for the sake of American folk history. The work of John’s father (also named John – bit of a theme) is also well known, as he is also a music writer as well as the former manager for Townes Van Zandt and Steve Earle. So yes, he knows something about black music, and to be more specific, about the importance of black music. But his passion sometimes gets in the way of reality, because while rap may be thriving, good rap has dropped off significantly in the last decade, and on top of that, whitey still buys guitars. What he should do is become the voice box for his love of music in such a fertile creative environment. This is a huge town, and he must have a fairly large audience, and he should use his soapbox to find ways to get all music lovers to broaden their horizons, to keep music at the forefront of their lives for the rest of their lives. He wastes his time when his column becomes a vent for his delusions on what's cool, what you need to listen to, why Houston isn't down with the self-promotion, and all the rest.

Not that it would be a bad thing for any music lover to expand their boundaries regardless of their ethnic background; it’s just that the idea that white music lovers should give equal attention to mainstream rap seems somewhat off base. As I’ve said earlier, you never hear black critics saying that their audiences need to really take the time to get into The Stooges or (gulp) Celine Dion; because culturally, there’s no reason for them to do so. White America has done such a good job of shutting out black America that blacks have been forced to create their own culture, whitey be damned. That’s a huge part of the birth of rap, soul, r&b, funk, and all the rest. If you aren’t welcomed at the table, then you damn sure set your own table, and that’s exactly what happened. And without another deplorable history lesson, let’s just say that we all know what happened from there. Their music was new, it was different, it was deeply emotional, it was hungry, more real, more honest, and often it was better. So eventually we began to make a seat for them at our table, but it has always been an uneasy truce. Sure we love to hear our James Brown CDs, but who ever really wanted to think of him as someone to relate to? White America is still as afraid of him after his death as they were when he was kicking everyone’s ass down at the Apollo. How much has really changed from the days of Sam Cooke and the public guise of his handsome, charming, good boy image for the sake of whites? His life is damn near a template for the current crop of black face showhorses, and until we accept black people as equal, things will never really change.

So how difficult is it to see this through to the present? Rap came on real hard in the 80's and 90's and whites ate it up. And in those golden years so much great music was being made that it was near impossible to keep up. And through this period a funny thing began to happen. With guys like Public enemy, and then NWA, and the birth of the whole gangsta movement, rap began to turn away from its white benefactors and talk about things that weren’t all booty shaking and fun. And guess what? Young white people loved it. They loved the danger of it, and they were drawn into the mythology of street life. This effect wasn’t lost on the labels either, as they were quick to exploit this phenomenon as far as it could go. What the labels knew was that marketing a romanticized image of the young, angry, violent, and ultimately untamed black man was money in the bank. And they also knew that keeping the black artist relegated to a caricature was so much easier to handle than the more creative minded artists like A Tribe Called Quest or De La Soul. Those people were more about expression of creative energy than about threatening rivals, or bragging about all their conquests, or trying to get as much money out of the label as was humanly possible no matter the cost. Because after all, there will never be a shortage of disadvantaged black men who are making bad decisions to try and get ahead. So rap evolved into its current state. Rap has come to be defined (at least in the mainstream white audiences) as cartoonish music. The rappers of today seem to have been reduced to the stakes of the modern day minstrel. And to make it worse, because it is so lucrative, the rappers play right into it. It’s the clownish, overly audacious artists that get the most play, and the most sales. Guys like Lil John, or 50 Cent are huge, but they are also representing something no actual white audience will ever really believe and that keeps us all down. The artists cater to what sells, the buyers feed into what is negative about the culture, and the labels get rich by taking advantage of this built in cash flow. It’s like Russell Simmons is the Tom Vu of hip-hop. He’s a busker, a carny who wants you to check out the two-headed rapper sequestered behind the glass where he can do no real harm. So white America gets to exploit the culture of blacks, debase their life experience, plunder their resources, and still keep their nice cars and iPhones without having to worry about ever seeing these people out in their schools and country clubs. Nice.

And all this brings me back to the idea of a black DJ, on air, laying it down over the Bed Stuy airwaves or the Compton airwaves with something to this effect:

“Yo, yo, yo y’all, this is DJ Raz El here rockin’ on the mike and bringin’ you the dopest beats around. You just heard the new MF Doom, a blast from the past with Slick Rick and Doug E. Fresh with “Six Minutes,” and a little sumpin’ sumpin’ from Busta Rhymes. And now I want to turn y’all on to a track that I know is gonna’ get your booty shakin’ wherever it’s at. These dudes is straight outta Norway, and they want to tell you all about the strength of street knowledge. Turn it up homey and check out this joint from my homies in Emperor, it’s called “Ye Entrancemperium,” and it is for reals yo.”

I think you get the idea. White guilt is a sad, sad thing. I know that John’s heart is in the right place, he is a music lover and that alone says something good about him for me. I think his mistake is in wanting to extrapolate what he finds so dear in black music into the world of white music lovers. Not that I would ever tell anyone what he or she must listen to, because that’s the whole point. I can suggest stuff, put it into context, and hope for the best. I would never expect someone to oblige me just because I said it was so. And as for rock in suburbia, it’s still out there. It’s always mutating, and it peaked eons ago, but the rumors of its death have been greatly exaggerated. So when I think about where Lomax must be coming from, or what corner of the universe shapes his ideas on black and white in American music, my guess is that when you look at what someone loves from a distance - and I say this with full ironic glee - sometimes I think you could honestly say that love is really, truly blind.

57 Comments:

Blogger Ramon Medina - LP4 said...

Damn that reminds me I forgot to record Hip-Hop: Beyond Beats and Rhymes when it aired on PBS.

Anyhow, I don't think Lomax is off base but really it's a question of degree in my book. You even said it yourself about Rock peaking. I think Rock may have peaked due to a few factors

1) Rock is hardly rebellious to parents
2) Commercial Rock radio is dismal and regional and local stations are long dead.
3) Al and Tipper Gore openly listen to rock.
4) Even the US government is ho-hum about rock.

Meanwhile Hip-hop wins on all these fronts:

1) Parents still wouldn't want a guy whose claim to fame was getting shot more than the last rapper over for dinner.
2) Rap and Hip Hop radio are thriving largely due to regionalism.
3) Al and Tipper singing along to any rap song ... uh no!
4) The Rave law basically codified the hipness of DJ music by being so badass as to get it's own law brought in as a rider by Joe Biden.

That being said rock in the l underground is thriving and kids are still making Hardcore metal and Indie music because we like guitars.

February 27, 2007 8:37:00 AM EST  
Blogger John Cramer said...

I like how you took one sentence out of the entire piece upon which to focus your disagreement. And to think that I actually debated taking it out just in case someone tried to use it exactly the way you ended up using it.

To address some of your points: I'm a parent, and I don't think mainstream rap is rebellious either.

Who gives a crap about radio anyway.

The Gores have always listened to rock, so that's nothing new.

Who gives a crap about the government anyway.

As to your pro hip-hop points, you're hitting on my main thrust (albeit jokingly - sort of), namely that hip-hop works in the industry so well not in spite of white fear, but because of it. It's easy to compartmentalize a scary black man.

Lomax is off base, and it's precisely because of his propensity to overstate things for the sake of sounding authoritative. So what exactly is a matter of degrees? How much he's off base? I thought you said he wasn't?

February 27, 2007 9:34:00 AM EST  
Blogger Carlos Anaconda said...

Well said John. It seems to me that rock vs rap is more of a fiction being used by promoters (including in the same way that they use Tupac vs. Biggie or East Coast vs. West Coast or Dylan vs. Donovan or whatever. When in truth most people don't take sides, but enjoy some of what each has to offer. And anyways, rock was supposed to be dead in 1976 when disco apparently had killed it (then somehow rock became Gary Numan and the Human League). And again in 1979 when Rappers Delight apparently killed rock for the first time (then the Beastie Boys turned to rappers). But its all a fiction. What is dead music anyways? People still play ragtime, and opera. Does dead mean you don't sell millions of records and get reported about on Rolling Stone (or the Houston Press)? I hope that is not how Lomax defines it, cause there is plenty of not dead music that hardly sells records at all and never gets reported on anywhere.

February 27, 2007 10:15:00 AM EST  
Blogger Ramon Medina - LP4 said...

Maybe I wasn't clear but I distinguish between the illusion and reality of rebellion. Marilyn Manson made a career out of making parents uncomforatble despite it being nothing more than a clever circus act. Same with commercial hip-hop. Hell the illusion is enough to enfuriate parents and enact laws against DJ music therefore making it more influential.

As for radio, if you look back at a lot of the garage bands they actually did have local support from radio and you could actually have regional hits. The loss of regional radio for the homogenized Clear Channel model is a large reason for rock moving to the sidelines. When corporations are spinning and not DJs you get crap like Fall out Boys instead of the Sonics.

Nevertheless, I think that you can't generalize too much as there are so many styles and genres of music out there that to some degree John Lomax (or myself) saying that X is more influential than Y is silly. But I think you can generalize and say that Hip Hop culture has more of an aggregate affect on commercial /pop culture. Now what value a statement like that has is dubious, but it's not flat out wrong.

Lastly, my issue with the whole white angle is that well Black, Hispanic, Asian, et al. kids also dig hip-hop. Yes, and some of those kids really respond to the mysogonistic macho stuff too. Which I think means that those steroetypes are not only being absorbed by white kids but also other groups including Blacks themselves. So, I guess it seems that the mistrel show is being sold to minorites as well and that asks the question of what that says about them. I can't speak for them but the question remains. Me I find that stuff tedious in Rock and Rap as well.

Now, I listen to some hip hop and DJ music but not hardly close to how much I listen to other genres. Honestly, I more appreciate it as a concept that I see running throughout American Culture and that is one of appropriation. So, to me I see a direct connection between Hip-Hop/turntable music and someone like Robert Rauchenberg.

And finally, I don't pay much attention to the fashion or posturing of any artist and, plus,I have a weird thing about listening to vocals as just another instrument, so lyrics get muddled. Fiddy could be rapping "You! Yes, You Ramon who lives in Houston. I am going to come to your house and kick your ass personally! No, I'm not joking. I am seriously going to hurt you! Do you not underesatnd English?!! I! Am! Going! to! Kick! Your! Ass!" and if it a good song I'd be none the wiser.

February 27, 2007 10:38:00 AM EST  
Blogger Daniel said...

John, bracketing the overall thrust of your entry, I'd like to make a few criticisms of your comments about mainstream rap:

1. NAP got scooped on this topic by nearly a week:
Is hip-hop relevant to middle-aged white guys?

2. "It’s the clownish, overly audacious artists that get the most play, and the most sales."

Does this really describe rap more than any other youth-oriented mainstream genre? Taken out of context, is it at all clear that this sentence is describing rap and not any number of rock genres?

3. I think that your characterization of mainstream black music as a minstrel show of negative caricatures is reductive. Kanye West sings about Jesus. Outkast had the biggest single of 2004 with a song about monogamous love. What about Lauryn Hill? What about freakin' Beyonce? What about the Beastie Boys? And you can't make the argument that it's different because they're white without doing a lot of hair-splitting, because (a) we're talking about the appeal of mainstream rap to a mainstream white audience and (b) Eminem is one of the most juvenile and misogynistic rap artists alive. There is a lot of negative stuff out there, but it is not the only thing around.

4. If the "caricature" quality of mainstream rap bothers you so much, where is your criticism of underground metal, which is at least as cartoonish, violent and immoral as mainstream rap? Or is extreme imagery acceptable in that sphere because metal is somehow more "self-aware" (*cough* MAYHEM*cough*)?

Unbracketing, let me say that I agree with the point of your entry, which I think is that it makes no sense to tell people they ought to like a certain kind of music for political reasons. I don't think white guilt is a reason to listen to rap any more than you do. I am merely taking issue with your ideas about mainstream black music, which although reasonable, I believe are too general.

February 27, 2007 11:21:00 AM EST  
Blogger jmiller said...

Excellent read Cramer. I'm particularly fond of "Sure, downloads have had a very real impact on the industry, but really, who gives a shit about the industry?" Thank you..I feel a little better now...I think.

February 27, 2007 12:03:00 PM EST  
Blogger The Sparrows of Happiness said...

I have a totally different take on this than Ramon, regarding the whole "rebellious" thing.

As an adult, I have a much different idea of what "rebellion" means than I did as a kid. Who is the "parent" to piss off, now that I'm about to be a parent?

If some white teenaged suburbajock thinks he's rebelling by buying all this hip hop shit, I got news for him: his rebellion was commoditized long ago, and sold back to him with an Abercrombie and Fitch tag affixed. This goes for ALL genres: rock, rap, country, Celine Dion, whatever. If you bought it, you bought it from The Man. And if you stole it from The Man, that makes you a thief, not a rebel.

To me, "rebellion" in music is making your own music and sharing it with your friends, whether it's corny Barbershop Quartet, banjo-pickin', gospel, death metal, acid-folk, or whatever.

I'm not saying you only have to listen to indie stuff or local bands, just that music, and music trends, which ignore industry constraints is much more rebellious and dangerous to the "establishment" than any of this rap stuff is. In general, I hate technology because I work with it every day, so I have mixed feelings about all these digital doodads and podcasts and internet radio, etc., etc. I'm not enough of an optimist to believe that these technologies will end up destroying the big media companies: they will probably just replace them (meet the new boss, same as the old boss). But for now, anyway, they provide me with a lot of alternatives to the Wall O' Shite that pop music currently has become. And for that, I am grateful.

February 27, 2007 1:50:00 PM EST  
Blogger Ramon Medina - LP4 said...

Clinton,

I think we agree on the illusion of rebellion. That doesn't mean that kids don't buy into it, companies don't expliot it, and idiot's like Joe Biden don't react to it as if it were an actual threat.

It's like the case of text spam that tells you to fdisk your c dive where the biggest real threat is stupidity.

and you ask:Who is the "parent" to piss off, now that I'm about to be a parent?


You dumbarse, guess what, your kids will be liberal commies while mine will be right wing industrialists. That's how they will fuck with us. They can't win by being more freaky than us.

"Dad I just smoked a joint."

"Son, I was forced by John Cramer and Mike Gunn to smoke so much dope in one night that we saw the sun set and rise until the stash was cashed."

"Dad, I bought the new Maralyn Manson album."

"Son, I saw Kenny run around Naked in the Axion being chased by a three legged dog on acid."

They just can't win on that front. The only way the can win is to go the other way.

"Dad, I can I see the newest Disney Boy band with my straightedge platonice friend wo has sworn off sex before marriage?"

"Where did I go wrong oh Lord where!!!!!"

February 27, 2007 2:43:00 PM EST  
Blogger Carlos Anaconda said...

Actually Ramon, i have seen several children make a mockery of what their parents thought was liberal weirdness. So if our kids react to us by going the other way, I'll be grateful. I know a guy whose kid went so far past him in ways he could've never imagined that it made him a conservative. Having the next generation go so much farther to the left that my left seems like the right, thats what I'd worry about, if i worried about such things.

February 27, 2007 3:26:00 PM EST  
Blogger Electramummy said...

One day we will all have some kind of permanent merchandise tracking implant or a forced form of payments that incorporates identity. It will be bigger than CODIS. And we will know the precise moment that Black Malcolm purchased 3 rock cds, 2 jazz cds and one Self help in a world of white guilt cd. We'll know when White Ichabod buys 3 rap cds, 2 rock cds, and one self help in a world of white guilt cd. This information will be for sale by the "private" organization that keeps track of all of our demographic information, and mailers inviting you to spend money on specific products will be sent out accordingly so as to satisfy agreements made between Uncle Sam and Sam Goody. Shitty music is always going to be around. Racism is always going to be around. Shitty people seem to be multiplying at a rapid rate, and will likely be around until destroying the Universe with their wit. The true rebels will be people so far off the radar that they could never do anything to thwart the powers responsible for sending us down the shitter... because when you're in hiding from the goevernment for not complying... you can't really lob any cocktails. I don't even think there is any such thing as a rebel anymore. Unless, you count Militias.

The rap music I like, I like mostly for the music. Not the lyrics or the image.. sometimes the lyrics... Though I do love me some big shiny ass, hanging out of glittery panties, always jiggling in slow motion, riding in the front end bucket of a tractor hauling cash down the pier to a totally banging party on some obnoxious speed boat.... Trying to contain themselves from just stopping everything to suck on some hot rapper cock... Love that image.

People can buy shitty music all they want, believing they are somehow contributing to the eradication of racism... (sad) just keep that noise the hell away from me.

Thanks for the bold blog.

February 27, 2007 6:32:00 PM EST  
Anonymous Clay said...

Don't worry, Carlos. If you go far enough to the left or right you reach the other side and start coming back to the middle from the other direction.

February 27, 2007 7:16:00 PM EST  
Blogger John Cramer said...

Hey Daniel, getting scooped by anyone is irrelevant to me considering that I make no claims to authority nor comprehensive reach. I was spouting my ususal in the latest flavor, that's that. Who really thinks what I say is original anyway? I certainly don't. I'm an aging dad who lives at work or on the computer. I never claimed to be an arbiter of anything other than my asshole-ishness. This is a forum for opinion, and you have been cursed with reading mine.

Seriously, what does Mayhem have to do with John Lomax and his opinions on the usurpation of rock at the hands of Al Jolson anyway?

I think my characterization regarding the modern day minstrel show is totally applicable in a broad sense and I also think it works in a certain way for all sorts of music, but I'm talking about black music and its effect on a white audience. I never said the rap world is inhabited entirely by uncle Tom sell-outs, even for me that would be ludicrous.

Fair enough on the clownish artist beef, but again, off-topic.

As for the dramatically outrageous imagery and iconography of musics other than mainstream rap, I think the difference is in use of the term "mainstream." When Mayhem, who is very clearly almost idiotically serious about what they espouse, go out on their limb, the message may be similar, but the context is totally different. You're right to say that the outrageousness of guys like these are no less goofy than any other, but it deosn't take away from my point that in order to maintain the allure of mainstream hip-hop, much of how the majority of it is marketed is through the sexiness of violence, or misogyny. I'm not claiming that I never care for rap with these sorts of themes, I am, however, daying that the rebellion portrayed by mainstream rap "toughs" is directly proportional to the fear that their audience (mainly white) feels for them. It sells. Again, cartoonish, self-conscious attempts to be scary are obviously pervasive in metal too, but that's a horse of a different, uh..., color.

February 27, 2007 7:58:00 PM EST  
Blogger The Sparrows of Happiness said...

EM, the technology is already here!

February 27, 2007 8:12:00 PM EST  
Blogger John Cramer said...

Hey daniel, let me just add that I don't particularly have a problem with caricatures, I have more of a problem with the crass commercialism so rampant in mainstream rap. I could easily say the same for metal. So yes, Mayhem killing each other and burning churches is not only stupid, I think it's deplorable. Again, with the topic at hand, the context is appropriate and, in my opinion, on the mark. As an example: I love NWA, and believe me, it isn't because I can relate to campy Compton thugs of dubious pedigree shouting "fuck the police!" I also love Public Image Limited, but god knows Johnny Rotten is probably the last guy I would want to hang out with. And here's another example: When I lived with Tom Carter, he once brought home a Screwdriver LP. We listened to it and was as racist and inflammaotry as you might imagine, but the main reason I didn't like it was because I thought it was terrible. In order to make a point, some generaliztions and theorizing are in order. I have no hard fast rules for music appreciation. Some things just strike me as disproportionate in a public climate. That's what I was writing about. Great comments, by the way. Thanks.

February 27, 2007 11:03:00 PM EST  
Blogger ms. rosa said...

john: did i miss a lomax article? are talking about a column he did about the success of houston rap? i want to read the article in question before commenting.

February 28, 2007 7:24:00 PM EST  
Blogger John Cramer said...

I'm not reference one particular piece but more of a general thrust I have picked up over the years in his columns. Keep in mind my extreme paranoia and expansive imagination. Something he wrote a couple weeks ago got me off on this rap tangent, but I can't for the life of me remember what it is. Also, an article he wrote several months ago was the one that really helped me form this opinion. But5 the one this week about his decrying the locals who decry the local scene is annoying me too. Have you read the one with Brad Moore, Haaga, and Tody Castillo? That one's got me all pissed off.

February 28, 2007 7:32:00 PM EST  
Blogger Kilian said...

The title of that HP article should be "Rock Elderly Tell Youngsters to Lighten Up" tangentially the actual title works.

February 28, 2007 8:49:00 PM EST  
Blogger John Cramer said...

Or in Haaga's case, "Rock Elderly Tells Youth to Ignore the Fact that Said Elderly Fellow Cut His Teeth on a Band Known for Rocking Very Loudly Directly out of the Shoot in the Very Fashion in Which he is now Trying to Claim is Bringing the Local Scene Down." I love Haaga's claim that since rockers go home and listen to "great" bands like Radiohead, they should thus write songs that are also as great, and therefore will in the process cure this woeful state of local affairs in which all these young pip-squeaks are just getting up on stage and rocking out with their cocks out with no regard for the statesman-like qualities of Haaga's very own failed orange t-shirt with matching tennies project. You know, because he failed as a solo artist, that it's because Houston is just too cynical to recognize genius such as his own. Nevermind that some things just don't work out. There was no conspiracy against Haaga. Dead Horse rocked and killed, and gained a certain level of noteriety, and it was well-deserved. But to now claim that his solo mishap failed because Houston is too cool for real music is arrogant nonsense. I won't rag on Brad's comments, because I know that Brad is serious without ever taking himself too seriously, and he knows what's up as well as anyone. As for Tody Castillo, his comments just go to prove the theory I have that he is his biggest fan.

Here is the once and for all on Houston's local scene: Houston is not the kind of town you live in if you feel the need to "make it." Yes it's possible to do so here, but if that is you life's dream, move like everyone else who really feel the need for mass popularity. Anyone can play here because the place is huge and rather accomodating for inexperience. If you put in the work and don't start thinking you're Zepplin like the Dimes or the Jinkies, you will wlak away with a positive experience. Shit, I did. And that's because I don't have unrealisitc expectations about this town. But reading Lomax's latest column, you'd be forgiven for thinking this entire town is populated by deaf distortion pedal addicts with no talent. As if no one here plays anything but super heavy music. It's preposterous. I suggest John no longer gets his story ideas from the devil's water late at night with like minded drunks and starts actually checking out what is really going on around here. Because the only person who whines about the scene without leaving it as much as he claims locals do is him.

PS: It was nice being on good terms with him. My comments read like my grandfather bitching about a late garbage pick-up. Dee-lish.

February 28, 2007 9:07:00 PM EST  
Blogger Justin said...

I liked this piece, but my biggest question when reading it was: just how many John Leguizamo movies have you watched?

Also, I do think it's a responsibility to find and listen to music of all sorts. I don't think doing this is the result of white guilt--or at least it's not on my part. Something I find really depressing about those year end lists that I complain about is that (and this is a generalization) many of the white critics' lists have a mixture of styles and colors, but black critics' lists are populated almost exclusively with black artists. I'm not sure why that is. It could be that the black critics think that the black artists need the exposure, but my fear is that the real reason is that they don't feel like they need to explore music because the black artists are clearly better. And that sorta turns my stomach.

February 28, 2007 9:37:00 PM EST  
Blogger John Cramer said...

You really believe that?

February 28, 2007 11:18:00 PM EST  
Blogger Electramummy said...

"...they don't feel like they need to explore music because the black artists are clearly better."

Insert "they think the" where "the" is... was what I think he was saying.

February 28, 2007 11:59:00 PM EST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

" If you put in the work and don't start thinking you're Zepplin like the Dimes or the Jinkies, you will wlak away with a positive experience."
-Wow, you sure are comfortable talking shit about that Matthew guy. No wonder he hasn't been around, lately. It's even more interesting that you know exactly what was going on inside these band's minds. That's remarkable.

March 1, 2007 12:14:00 AM EST  
Blogger Justin said...

I fear it. Each critic has his own reasons for the things he picks, I'm sure, but I know it's possible to get locked into a culture and not feel the need to look outside. You can find examples of this everywhere.

March 1, 2007 12:17:00 AM EST  
Blogger Kilian said...

Rap's been around a while (the equivalent amount of time in rock history would have already seen the deaths of both Elvis and John Lennon) and it looks to be on the decline. Maybe aligned with the mystical blipster movement. Rap formally is a subgenre of hip hop which on the whole is a more flexible genre that permeates into a lot of other art forms so I doubt we're anywhere near seeing the end of hip hop.

You guys in Houston need to remind the rock elderly of THE ROCK. Perhaps you can take a cue from this guy. If y'all organize 50 electric guitars to perform a "sonic exorcism on the evil that rules this land in the key of the almighty E" I wanna be there.

Oh you have to do that the second week of April.

March 1, 2007 12:54:00 AM EST  
Blogger The Sparrows of Happiness said...

I read Lomax's article, and maybe I gave it the benefit of not applying some previous context, although he himself mentions his earlier scene-bashing articles.

I get the feeling that while everyone in the article makes good points (yes, there are bands that overkill on distortion and de-emphasize songwriting, for example) - it is a gross generalization of the Houston scene to say that it's all just moronic riff-bashing. I hardly feel that Sharks and Sailors, or Georgia's Horse fall in this category, for example. S&S are loud & heavy but hardly hiding musicianship behind a wall of distortion. Whorehound are loud, but shit they're a metal band, they are supposed to be - yet they put a lot of effort into vocals, good riffs, awesome solos, etc. And Georgia's Horse has some of the best songwriting and use of dynamics I've ever seen in this town. And what about TDU? Doing free jazz, cool ass shit that is all over the map in terms of dynamics, improvisation, trip-ass funk, musicianship mixed with just plain fun? What shows is John (L) going to?

I would argue that recent years have produced many bands that emphasize vocals, melody/harmony, dynamics, etc. That hasn't made any of it any more marketable.

The comment in that article that pisses me off the most is Haaga saying "if you are playing for yourselves then stay home" (paraphrased). Bullshit. Like LP4 has said before, via Ramon: "We put up our flag and see who salutes". So our shows are basically open rehearsals. Who fucking cares? If people want to come, and a venue will book us, what skin is it off Haaga's nose? As long as people are having fun. Maybe they aren't buying merch or catapulting us to stardom, but who fucking cares? Us: Dorks with guitars. Sometimes, our friends show up too. Usually, there's beer. It's not fucking rocket science.

Shit. This makes me want to play more shows, if only to prove a point. It's about community, friends...oh fuck, there's no point because people who don't get it will never get it.

March 1, 2007 2:25:00 AM EST  
Blogger Electramummy said...

Fuck, what I wouldn't give, to have aggravated members of Led Zepplin stopping by to take jabs at me under the safety of pseudonyms.

I really gotta try harder to get that kind of attention. I mean, they didn't even care about the real heat of the topic at hand, how cool is that? Where do you find these people?

Oh. I get it. All you gotta do is suck or ride high on self doubt and fear.

March 1, 2007 4:21:00 AM EST  
Blogger Ramon Medina - LP4 said...

Hey anonymous,

Yeah I miss Matthew's commentary as well.


John,

As for Lomax. I get the vibe he's cherry picking to bolster his view. Here is a guy who I bet you money he won't go out to the Noise and Smoke fest next week but still will go on and on about the lameness of the scene. I love Lomax but he can be a stubborn little bastard when it comes to local rock.

March 1, 2007 4:41:00 AM EST  
Blogger John Cramer said...

I won't overtly assume that anonymous is Matthew, but it is a safe bet. And to address your short-sighted comments, I will say that when Project Grimm played shows with the Jinkies, we felt a strong sense of rock star bullshit emanating from the Jinkies. And this is not placating, bust the bulk of it was at the hands of your (oops, their) co-frontman Carlos. I distinctly remember a show at the Blue Iguana in which he felt that our already short set had gone on long enough and thus pulled a Danzig and tried to tell us to stop playing. And I also remember a show at the Urban Art Bar which we were treating as our record release and also at which the arrogant histirionics of a band answering to their asshole manager felt it was okay to fuck us over again. One thing we never did in Project Grimm was fuck the Jinkies over. Their popularity in the scene was well known/documented as was their propensity for occasionally behaving as though qwe all owed them something. Really I think it mostly boiled down to Carlos. Again, I always felt that Matthew (anon's hero) along with the rest of the band weren't so impressed with these practices. And I never claimed to know what Matthew was thinking, but it sounds like anon is thinking like Matthew might if Matthew was too sensitive about anything that might be in any way directed at him. Which is a shame because none of this is about him at all. Nor was anything in the past that seems to have hurt his delicate feelings. His last documented coment seemed to reflect a personal affront at a blog I wrote that wasn't about him at all. Touchy fellow. Big music fan, strong writer, respected contrbutor, but way too sensitive. So just in case you, anon, are Matthew, which it certainly would seem to be, then show yourself and lighten up. If you aren't Matthew, show yourself anyway. Why hide? Scared?

March 1, 2007 8:53:00 AM EST  
Blogger Kilian said...

If Matthew comes back I promise not to name my bands after him any more.

We're bullies.

March 1, 2007 9:25:00 AM EST  
Blogger John Cramer said...

I'm a lot of bad things, but I'm no bully. And neither are you. No one told him to go away, that was his decision. If he wants to come back and write again, he should. His contention that he was being picked on was never accurate before, and it still isn't. If I treat you badly, I'll fess up, and apologize where it's due. Matthew seemed genuinely embarassed at the behavior of his bandmate, and I always was glad for that. But I think their reputation was a fair one. It's a dead subject anyway.

March 1, 2007 9:33:00 AM EST  
Blogger Ramon Medina - LP4 said...

I just assumed Matthew lost interest in this blog and moved on so I doubt Anon is him. I was just coincidentally wondering where he'd gone off to as he's pretty good at calling our bullshit in an amusing way.

March 1, 2007 10:14:00 AM EST  
Blogger Justin said...

I don't think I ever got your lunch money last week, Kilian. I think we're going to have to make up for it this week.

March 1, 2007 10:44:00 AM EST  
Blogger John Cramer said...

It doesn't matter either way, like I said, it's a dead subject.

March 1, 2007 8:22:00 PM EST  
Blogger The Sparrows of Happiness said...

Hold the Fucking Phone John Cramer.

You're not gonna believe this. So today was my birthday which in and of itself is not a big deal. Well Carol got me a great present - a TURNTABLE. That put a shot of adrenaline into my pushing-40 year old ass. And this one is one of the badass kind that has a USB out so you can record into your computer if you want. But it gets better - much better.

Well I spent the first 30 minutes scratching Creedence and then I said, "Wait, what else is in this old neglected bin of Carol's brother's records". Thumbed a bit and grabbed the first thing that popped up:

The Offenders - Endless Struggle.

This is my BEST BIRTHDAY FUCKING EVER.

March 1, 2007 10:37:00 PM EST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You guys can't help yourselves, can you? You've just gone on and on to help me further prove my point. No, I'm not Matthew. I've commented on this blog before, and, no, I'm not the other ANON, I'm not the person who writes things like 'Linus records give me a headache' or whatever. Insinuating that I am Matthew seems to be still another rude comment directed towards him, don't you think? You worote that the Jinkies thought they were Led Zeppelin, which is supposed to be an insult, I'm imagining, and then later you wrote that 'oh, i didn't mean Matthew, so much but the other guy". That seems a little weak. You knew that he reads these blogs, he comments almost everyday, so you meant to insult him, just admit it. Or maybe, you thought that he hasn't commented in a while, so he's gone, I'll be safe writing this. Either way, it doesn't reflect very well on you. I've posted the same comments before about people being rude, when the blog was about that college dj kid. But still, you insinuate that these bands don't work hard, and they think they're something they're not, well, he was in one of the bands mentioned, so, what are we supposed to think? You also say 'I don't know what they think', but that's the opposite of ewhat you said earlier. So I'm short sighted? Yet another silly rude comment. Then EM says 'all you gotta do is suck or ride high on self doubt and fear' which is yet still another extremely rude thing to say. Or is that directed towards me? Matthew isn't my hero, I don't know him, never met him, but I live in Houston, and this blog is supposed to be an intelligent music thing, but some of you people are really trouble.

March 1, 2007 11:02:00 PM EST  
Blogger Electramummy said...

Yes. I was rude.

March 1, 2007 11:08:00 PM EST  
Blogger Kilian said...

In our defense Anon, Matthew's blog voice isn'texactly honey dripped. Anyway if at least one writer here interests you stick around. It's like Siskels and Eberts.

March 1, 2007 11:26:00 PM EST  
Blogger Ramon Medina - LP4 said...

Dear anon,

I can't speak for anyone else but I feel I can give Matthew as much shit as I want because I have known Matthew personally and he would know that any shit I give him is tempered with admiration for his with and insight. Just because we give him shit doesn't mean we also don't have lots of love for the guy too.

But that's the thing about posting under "anonymous" there is no thread to follow so you are forced to try to guess which of the various anonymous people is who.

That's why we recommend using the other option and creating a recurring user name. You get the joy of being anonymous but we gert the benefit of getting to know who we are talking to.


Regardless, I think you have a point on a mean streak being...well...mean. I'll take that as a valid thing to try to keep in check.

March 1, 2007 11:27:00 PM EST  
Blogger John Cramer said...

If you, anon, would care to read back over what I said, you'd realize that your misconceptions about what I wrote are simply creations of your imagination. Since I assumed Matt wrote the comment you (whoever you are) claim to, I directed my response accordingly. You don't get to get your feelings hurt when in actuality you might as well not exist because you don't want to identify yourself. As for Matt, he can speak for himself, and is more than capable of doing so. Calling his band out for what I think is bad behavior isn't an insult. Period. And comparing them to Led Zepplin isn't either. And since you are so intent on trying to make your anonymous self look good, why don't you explain how it is you think you know what am thinking. You know, like you claim I know what Matt thinks. As for a band's work ethic, I've never said word one about who works hard. My own bands are notoriously lazy, and I'm the first to admit it. I couldn't care less how hard a band works.

Wait, how do you know about the "Linus gives me a headache" thing? Didn't that comment get nixed before it was posted? Maybe I'm wrong about that.

It's not weak to clarify that my biggest issue with the Jinkies was in someone's behavior other than Matt's. That is simply the way it is. I never said I loved Matt nor am I making concessions to him by my comments. Again, anon, read. Read and use you brain to think about a) what others are saying, and b) what you are about to say. Because you simply don't know what you are talking about.

And who said this was supposed to be intelligent? This is a blog about music, not about how smart we all are.

My comments were neither rude nor mean. If you don't agree, that's fine. No one asked you to critique what you consider a slight. If you want to, go ahead, but don't expect too much respect if you can't even stand for yourself without hiding before your anonymity. And if you don't like my writing, don't read it. Then we can go back to discussing actual things of interest instead of someone you think I insulted when you don't really know what you're talking about.

March 2, 2007 12:13:00 AM EST  
Blogger John Cramer said...

Happy birthday Clinton, that's so cool I think my brain might explode. You are my hero. I love that record more than I love myself. Well, almost.

March 2, 2007 1:15:00 AM EST  
Blogger The Sparrows of Happiness said...

One of many great things I owe you for, John - introducing me to the Offenders. I listened to the whole album and what's weird is I think it's an even better album now than I thought it was back then. That early-mid-80s austin hardcore scene was un-fucking-believable.

March 2, 2007 2:39:00 AM EST  
Blogger Ramon Medina - LP4 said...

Clinton,

A turntable? Wow! Well, as promised, now that you are a man, I am honored to present you with two Blue Cheer LPs.

E-mail me and I'll drop them by.

Happy Birthday.

March 2, 2007 8:26:00 AM EST  
Blogger John Cramer said...

Yeah, it's funny when you see guys like the American Hardcore director wanking off about bands like the Cro-Mags when down in Texas some of the very best hardcore imaginable was being grown. And the Offenders were right at the top of the heap in my opinion. One day I'll steal that album from Carol's brother and blame it on you. Happy birthday!

March 2, 2007 8:55:00 AM EST  
Blogger Carlos Anaconda said...

What cracks me up about this whole thing with Anon is that i totally misread the sentence in question as a compliment. Here it is the original: "If you put in the work and don't start thinking you're Zepplin like the Dimes or the Jinkies." Since Ramon and Rosa have complimented the Dimes a lot and they do seem like they put in the work and i always got the feeling that the Jinkies also put in the work. I thought the comment was more like, If you put in the work like the Dimes and the Jinkies and don't start thinking you're Led Zeppelin..." The story of my life, taking insults as compliments... I am an idiot (that's a compliment to myself, not a put down).

March 2, 2007 9:16:00 AM EST  
Blogger Carlos Anaconda said...

And happy birthday SoH. Welcome to the club.

March 2, 2007 9:19:00 AM EST  
Blogger John Cramer said...

The original comment should have read more like this: "Unless you think you're rock stars like Zepplin (as in the Dimes and the Jinkies), and if you put in the work..."

I haven't a clue how hard the Dimes and Jinkies do or don't (or did and didn't) work. Anon definitely misread that bit. This whole thing is predicated on one line in my blog, misread, and taken completely out of context. Welcome to electronic confusion. God damn.

March 2, 2007 10:09:00 AM EST  
Blogger Kilian said...

You know John I don't think you defend your writing from the correct angle. You are rude ya bitch.

Hell, you parodied my La Music de Mi Barrio piece without any sort of a nod or apology. You parody my work and end the thing with this line:

"...enjoy the fact that no one really likes you, not just me, and that no matter how hard you try to hide how ugly you really are, there are those who see through you like the empty window you really are. Yeah."

As with a lot of your writing it is quite easy to see a rude, even mean spirited side though you almost always deny it.

Anyway you get more comments than anybody and I wouldn't deny you your artistic freedom. But I don't think Anon is all that confused nor does anyone have to miss the bigger picture to read between the lines.

Matthew's comment was "Yeah...I, uh. Right. Well, I guess I'll be on my way, then..."

And that's the last we heard of him.

March 2, 2007 11:29:00 AM EST  
Blogger Ramon Medina - LP4 said...

Oh yeah ... the Dimes.. more on that tomorrow.

March 2, 2007 12:50:00 PM EST  
Blogger John Cramer said...

Fair enough Kilian, but I told you in my e-mail that it wasn't meant as a swipe at you. My wife is with you in that I should have given the nod to you for my heist, and she has more sense than me about things like this. But I will make it publicly clear that the piece I wrote that was taken from yours was not meant as a swipe at you in any way. I think that you, Kilian, are a much different sort of writer than I am, which is good, and I thought your story about the brutal Chicago winter and the way you saw the light out of it was in direct contrast to both the Houston winter and the insidious way in which I see things. I know it bugged you, so if it matters, again I'll tell you publicly that I'm sorry, that wasn't my intention. I guess you don't buy that, which is up to you. You're right in the sense that I take a harsher tone than other Nappers most of the time, and that's fine with me, I'll take that as fair too. I still disagree with your comments on anon, he/she was mistaken on many points that I have made clear already, but again, you have a right to your opinion, I just don't agree with it. And I won't become a different style of writer just because it makes you or anyone else more comfortable. Plenty of what I've written in here, in fact, the overwhelming majority, isn't mean at all. Sarcastic, definitely, but not mean. Again, you may not agree, but if we're going to use this forum to start picking me apart, that isn't really fair either, is it?

"...enjoy the fact that no one really likes you, not just me, and that no matter how hard you try to hide how ugly you really are, there are those who see through you like the empty window you really are. Yeah."

The above passage is more of a creative conceit than anything else. It isn't meant to be taken literally, which I thought was obvious. I can see how people would read it as being about them, but it isn't actually directed at anyone in particular. Yes, the tone is not nice, but must everything be so obvious and easy to interpret? I mean, we talk in here, and are all usually pretty nice to each other, but I barely know most of you to be perfectly honest, so our relationship is forged almost entirely from word of mouth, mutual friends, and the written word. When you put me under a microscope because you don't like the way I say what I say, or what I say itself, try not to forget that you don't really always know my intent. Once again, you may not buy that, but it isn't any less true for it.

As for Matthew's comment, I'm not sure I get your point by including it, other than in reference to my mentioning it. I think it shows a clear though indecipherable reaction to my blog (the one that bothered you too), but it's really up in the air in the absence of his speaking for himself.

Basically, I don't feel like I should have to defend myself so heartily to you guys just because you don't care for this line, or that tone, or what have you.

If I am the asshole, then great, let's get on with it, because this is really not that important to most of you guys, I would have to imagine, and I'm sure you're all tired of listening to me yak about it.

I'll take that accusation, now can we move on?

March 2, 2007 9:25:00 PM EST  
Blogger Kilian said...

You can thank anon. He mentioned an lp4 comment and that reminded me of the entire thread in question which reminded me of Matthew's last quote. And I don't have a problem with your writing only that you defend it like a whiny asshole. Did I say that? Too far? Oopsee.

March 3, 2007 1:21:00 AM EST  
Anonymous Don King said...

Whoa there fellas. Fellas. Let's take it down a notch.

Now all you good folks out there. Now you know how much it pains Don King to see two fellas duke it out.And you also know how much it pains Don King not to make a buck off it so Don King is taking this moment to announce that this March, at the Palms in Las Vegas, you can see John and Kilian go head to head, mano a mano, to settle once and for all this thread that has so captured the imagination of a few guys trying to avoid work at the office.

Tickets will be available at Ticketmaster this Saturday march 3rd.

God Bless the America!
And Don King will see you in Las Vegas.

March 3, 2007 1:37:00 AM EST  
Anonymous Ted said...

Jesus, Ramon was right. there is some much needed diversity in these arguements.

To answer Justin's question about why black critics dont write about white music, is because most whites aren't really interested in what black music critics and fans think about it.

Put aside the fact that he is an asshole, but If Stanley Crouch wrote a review about the new Stooges record, would anyone white care? No, they want him to rant on about the new Wynton Marsalis record.

Maybe I am riffing on my own bitter experience, but the only time most white friends of mine (especially the older they are) are ever interested in my opinion, its on hip hop, not rock...which I have just as much exposure if not more so. So many of the critics just figure, why waste my time? I can relate.

March 6, 2007 12:23:00 PM EST  
Blogger John Cramer said...

You know, anonymous, on second thought, after re-reading your comments, you can go fuck yourself. And for the record, that's rude. You are free to comment, but if you don't like what I have to say but have no discernable point of any value, tough shit. When you reveal your true self and write your own blog, you can whine just like I do, and you can direct it all at me if you like. I won't read it, and if I do, and cry foul, you can eviscerate me all you like. In here, you're on our turf, so blow me. You are wrong about what you said aside from my being rude. Matt is an arrogant bastard, he'll tell you all about it himself. But I'll stand by him anyday because at least he lets his shining self be known. You, you troll and whine and try to sideswipe actual discourse, so you are a waste of time. The topic was rap, not your love of people you've never met. I am trouble, you're right, so stop crying and get over it.

Damn, that felt good.

March 6, 2007 7:25:00 PM EST  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Cormamin lindua ele lle, John, I can't believe it took you so long to say that. As you know sometimes words have two meanings. And now that you've said it I can finally reveal myself, and open the gates to the darkest depths of Mordor.

R. Plant (aka Anon)

March 6, 2007 7:47:00 PM EST  
Blogger John Cramer said...

Well, it's also a pleasure meeting you.

March 6, 2007 10:39:00 PM EST  
Blogger Kilian said...

John - don't go there. That is not R. Plant. R Plant is a golden god. He would never be anon.

March 7, 2007 1:07:00 AM EST  
Blogger John Cramer said...

You've got a point there.

March 7, 2007 1:18:00 AM EST  

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