Friday, September 28, 2007

My Better Judgement

So here we are the lunch for our new co-worker at the day job. Amongst all the small talk, I make a seemingly innocuous question, "What do you do?"

"OH, I do the fixed assets."

"No, I mean what do you do."

"Huh?"

"An avocation? What do you do outside the office?"

"Umm, I guess I like to read."

"Any genre?"

"Oh I haven't actually read anything for a while."

As innocuous as this exchange seemed, I was a bit shocked. I generally assume that work is 9 hours away from your life. Something doesn't quite add up if at the end of day if all you can say what you did with your life was balance a ledger everyday, eat, shit and sleep. Imagine Here Comes Mr. Jordan with that kind of life? You think Claude Rains would go through the trouble of demanding a new body after a premature soul plucking? Hell no. He's say "Thank God that's over!" My point isn't that you have to create or do something earth shattering - just something.

Consider this, at a recent wake, there was a elderly woman who just made elaborate ornamental eggs. She would take you through each display and show you her displays of eggs: bejeweled and lined ones, ornately carved ones, and small dioramas. Someone could laugh it off as kitschy but the thing was she was making something creative that she was able to share with people. When she passes away her grandkids will likely treasure those eggs and her friends will remember her as the egg woman.

Now, the egg woman's endeavor may not seem like much but compare that with my coworker; I know I'd much rather be making eggs. I think a lot of people don't bother making stuff because they are intimidated or make it some elite practice. To me it goes back to two documentaries and how the filmmakers see their subjects. The juxtaposition of Burden of Dreams and Hearts of Darkness has always amused me. The fixation for me is in how the films address the process of creating something. One considers creation a basic necessary drive and for the other film it is something elite and precious.

In Burden of Dreams, Les Blank follows the making of Werner Herzog's Fitzcorraldo where Kinski and the rest of the film crew suffer through all sorts of misery to achieve Herzog's vision which involves hauling a boat over a mountain. Doing is as much a character in Blank's film as any one person and that oppressive verb is behind Herzog compulsion to complete the film. The success or failure of the film seems almost secondary - the point is to make it. This is no different than breathing and no less extraordinary. I'm not suggesting that the work of Herzog and his crew is anything less than extraordinary but what I always go back to is how ordinary they are in their approach. They fight and struggle but there are no "I am making great art!" moments.

Contrast that with Hearts of Darkness, maybe it's because most of the documentary footage comes from Eleanor Coppola but there is a preciousness that is far removed from the journeyman ethic of Burden of Dreams. Here there is a constant self-consciousness where they are making great art and the people making this film are extraordinary for doing it. Not surprisingly, Marlon Brando is cast as an arrogant lazy schlub who is fat, didn't do his research, and tries to scores a big paycheck. Oddly, I love Brando here because - aside from being a huge bastard - he's the one person who isn't in the service of Art - this is his day job. That insufferable way he approaches his work is a wonderful juxtaposition to the earnestness of Coppola and his crew. To Coppola and the crew there is something mystical about making a film while to Brando it is nothing. Brando is playing fuck-you punk in a bloated self-important 70's arena rock band. Brando brings everyone down off their pedestals and tells them that what they do isn't special - I fucking love that! I think the reason goes back to a populist punk aesthetic where creation isn't just for the Pablo Picassos, the Orson Wells, or the Thomas Pynchons, it's for everyone - art should be common and everywhere.

This all comes down to why we do it - why we suffer through annoying bandmates, tedious rehearsals, throwing money down a hole, and general indifference from the world. We do it because that's what we do and what you should be doing. There's nothing special about it - we're just primitive sharks and if we stop we die. You have to put up with a lot of shit, frustration, and disappointment not to mention a lot of neurotic and manic-depressive behavior along the way. Sounds awful huh? Well, the way to deal with that is to resign yourself in the manner Herzog does when he confronts the jungle;
"We have to get acquainted to this idea that there is no real harmony as we have conceived it. But when I say this, I say this all full of admiration for the jungle. It is not that I hate it, I love it. I love it very much. But I love it against my better judgment. "
Credits:
Herzog and Kinski by Beat Presser 1987

Coppola and Brando by UA

Links:
Burden of Dreams on IMDB - For best results don't read the Herzog monologue in the quotessection until you've seen the film.

Hearts of Darkness on IMDB


And don't forget..
Tonight is the Proletariat 's 5th anniversary. Congrats to the Prolee and kudos to Skyline Network.


23 Comments:

Blogger Charlie Naked said...

I loved how Brando's attitude totally flew in the face of Coppola's "high art" approach as well. You can just see Coppola steaming over Brando. But I don't think I'd ever attribute anything remotely punk to Brando's motivations here. He was motivated by a MONUMENTAL ego, and the knowledge that he could coast his way through anything, because he's fucking Marlon Brando. While it's certainly amusing to me how thoroughly that pricks and punctures Coppola's artistic pretensions, which desperately need pricking and puncturing, it doesn't really strike me as quite as respect-worthy as the sort of punk deflation you're attributing to it...

September 29, 2007 12:21:00 PM EDT  
Blogger baleen said...

The first part of the post brought to mind the poet Wallace Stevens. Having been a lawyer and then an executive at the Hartford Insurance Company, he did much of his writing on the train during his daily commutes. Quote: "I certainly do not exist from nine to six, When I am at the office." I don't think he ever left that position to devote all of his energies to writing yet succeeded as a poet that has now been anthologized endlessly and so forth.

September 29, 2007 2:40:00 PM EDT  
Blogger Carlos Anaconda said...

Poetry seems particularly prone to that Baleen, since the possibility of making a living from it is not only incredibly difficult but i would even dare to say against the best interests of the art, much like music.

One of my favorite poets (and also a son of a puerto rican) is William Carlos William, who was a doctor by profession and wrote during his time off, and even sometimes while waiting for patients. Bukowski worked at the post office his whole life.

A possibly worthwhile discussion could revolve around the pros and cons of music as a way to make a living vs. music as something separate from how one makes a living. there was some writer that said something along the lines of that if your job was to write, and thats all you did all day, then what would you write about?

September 29, 2007 4:00:00 PM EDT  
Blogger Kilian said...

We do what we do I guess. It's a puzzle to me. So few people in my family are creative types, but on the other hand most tend to keep themselves pretty busy, although for some it's the day job that really gets them buzzed. I have to say, I was pretty pleased when I came to the realization that I could play music for the rest of my life.

I didn't get that much out of Burden of Dreams because by the time I got to it I had already seen My Best Fiend and Fitzcarraldo which has a good Herzog commentary track. All that stuff is worth absorbing and I actually have folks on this blog to thank for that influence.

Carlos - I dig WCW very much. I especially like to hear him read his own poetry. It's musical. If you happen to have some, it would be cool to throw on the cast. I have a cassette somewhere. I'll try to get it digitized.

September 30, 2007 1:21:00 AM EDT  
Blogger dd said...

My first exposure to Herzog was through Burden of Dreams many years ago after hearing Ramon deliver a rant roughly along these lines about it and the Coppola film (which has been recommended to me by everyone I know who's seen it except Ramon but I haven't seen it). It was amazing but at the same time I wound up laughing a lot at Herzog and looking back at Burden of Dreams knowing what I know of Herzog's work now I feel very differently.

I find my struggle being that my daily work is something I burn a lot of creative energy on and if I try to do that full throttle and after-school things full throttle I kind of go crazy. But I find myself incapable of working and committing less than the maximum effort, even when it wasn't work that I was emotionally invested in.

Everything I've heard about Brando pretty much makes me think he was basically a cock. A talented one, but a cock nonetheless.

Carlos, I often give the advice to young people thinking of going into filmmaking to go off and live life first so they have something to make films about besides going to school, making films, and imitating other films they've seen. No one ever listens, though.

September 30, 2007 2:12:00 AM EDT  
Blogger The Sparrows of Happiness said...

As far as being precious about one's art or craft, I had a little moment with that the other day. I am a systems administrator by trade (which means, essentially, that I fix broken computers and listen to people complain...as one coworker said, we're the plumbers of the 21st century...) I was in a training class with a bunch of other sysadmins, and at one point I observed that I was a much better guitar player than I was a sysadmin, and that I was a really bad guitar player.

You go through life with this little ego monkey pushing you to be the best, to be a genius, to create incredible things, to take the human experience to new plateaus, while the reality is that you're a cable-slinging IT chump who plays bad box solos in his spare time, on those rare occasions when he's sober enough to stand up straight.

I've long believed that if I could take my ego completely out of my guitar playing, that I would become a much, much better player. But then I'd only take that path so that I could become a better player, to satisfy my ego, thereby defeating the entire process.

So I feel that art is intrinsically tied up with the artist's ego, especially when you label it "art" and it therefore becomes an extension of the artist's personality. There's a great Kafka story called Josephine the Singer (The Mouse Folk) which explores this idea. The degree to which an artist succumbs to the intoxication of his own ego...that's the real question. Maybe a guy who takes Coppola's approach believes that his genius will carry him through. But Herzog, as a veteran of the Jungle, believes that perseverance and luck are more important. Both of them made great films, so there you go.

September 30, 2007 3:30:00 AM EDT  
Blogger Ramon Medina - LP4 said...

SOA,

Yeah,I agree, in the end both Apocalypse Now and Fitzcorraldo are great, if messy, movies. I simply respond more to Herzog's approach that I do to Coppola's.


Charlie,

I'm not suggesting Brando is being informed by anything other that being a huge greedy egotistical bastard but the end result of his actions is pretty punk in the "totally fucking shit up" sense. And don't think that I'm not aware of the irony in my mocking Coppola and crew's self-absorption and praising Brando's.

Baleen,

Admittedly I've never read Stevens. I'll check him out - any recommended starting points?

Carlos-
Yeah, William Carlos Williams is pretty bad ass.

Kilian -

Oddly I didn't get into My Best Fiend as it seemed a bit self serving on Herzog's part.

Doug,

Yeah Brando is a total insufferable cock- no question about that. I think Hearts of Darkness is still must see despite the fawning but Elanor Coppola is Francis' wife so it's forgivable.

September 30, 2007 8:30:00 AM EDT  
Blogger John Cramer said...

Sparrows is modest, he's a kick ass guitar player.

September 30, 2007 10:14:00 AM EDT  
Blogger Kilian said...

Yes My Best Fiend is self-serving but after getting into Aguirre I'd really come to take that unavoidable part of Herzog's work in stride.

Anyway it wasn't that Burden of Dreams was bad it's just that I pretty much got the whole story through other avenues. I was struck by the irony that the BoD crew only stuck it out for five weeks of what amounted to a multi-year endeavor for Herzog.

Ego is often treated as a moral sin. But you got to stroke it some or else you'd never get anything done because surely there's somebody out there who does it better than you.

DD - I'll bet the grandiose ideas (or lack of) of film newbies is annoying. At the same time doesn't every craft take a lot of mistrials to get anywhere? Also a young person will make a different film than an older person. It's fitting that poetry was brought up here. Poetry (and rocknroll) being one of the best formats exemplifying that many people do their finest creative work in youth.

September 30, 2007 12:14:00 PM EDT  
Blogger baleen said...

Ramon. Though Stevens' has a sizeable body of work, two of his more popular poems are "Thirteen Ways of Looking at a Blackbird" and the more involved "The Idea of Order at Key West". I have a fond memory of reading "Key West" aloud to a friend while sitting on the beach under a midday sun. The effect was significantly amplified by my environment. Anyhoo.

Killian/Carlos. Yeah WCW is good stuff. Imagiste. It is what it is and nothing else. His stuff just flies in the face of the grand posturings of Eliot. It would be great on the podcast. Cheers

September 30, 2007 12:30:00 PM EDT  
Blogger Carlos Anaconda said...

I dont know if it was mainly from my experience when i met Herzog, but, as much as i love his movies, i always got the feeling he was a egomaniac who really things he's god's gift to the world of filmmaking. In his defense i'll say taht he might very well be right. someone told me that shakespeare once said something along the lines of, my plays are the greatest. somehow statements like that don't sound so bad if they are true, think of Mohammed Ali also. its a whole differnt story when someone like courtney love says her lyrics are the greatest.

September 30, 2007 6:42:00 PM EDT  
Blogger Head Stapler said...

Baleen,

This Link is for you.

If you can find something suitable for the podcast, let me know and I'll add it.

HS

September 30, 2007 6:54:00 PM EDT  
Blogger The Sparrows of Happiness said...

thanks John. you well know what it's like to be your own harshest critic, so you probably know where I'm coming from. What I loved about Ramon's post, though...and maybe I'm reading a little between the lines... is the notion that being better at what you do for fun than what you do for a living is the mark of a life well lived, even if you're not very good at what you do for fun or if no one really cares about it but you. I love that idea.

Think about Softball Guy. Here is this dude who is 38 and pushing 220 on a 5'10 frame, and he hit a home run playing high school ball 20 years ago to go to State and it was awesome. And now he scrapes by selling lawn tractors. But every weekend he goes out and knocks the crap out of the ball, and he's the best guy in his beer league even though he wouldn't last 5 seconds on even the crappiest A-ball team in Podunkaville, USA. He takes his shit pretty seriously, and sometimes he's a pain in the ass but his friends put up with him, and he comes out ahead in the end because he loves playing and he's good, but not great. There's something kind of wonderful about that, and in a lot of ways I'd rather be that guy than Derek Jeter or Alex Rodriguez.

September 30, 2007 10:33:00 PM EDT  
Anonymous Paul G. said...

Sparrows,

Are you fucking high?

You'd rather be Soft Ball guy rather than Mr.New York or A-Rod? What the fuck are you talking about? Do you need reminding that those two freaks are playing a FUCKING GAME for hundreds of millions of dollars, all the while scoring mad chicks, travelling around the world and all they're doing is PLAYING A GAME! They wear caps and tights, toss balls and swing a bat! Who wouldn't want to do that for a career let alone receive all the ridiculous accolades that they do? By the way, they're possibly two of the best players to ever pick up a baseball.

Christ, I hate baseball and there's no question I'd be one of those douches over Softball guy.

Softball guy's a total fucktard. He's the one that always tries way too hard and ends up pulling a muscle because he let himself go long ago. It's not like he's John Kruk or David Wells either, he's Tubby Mc Gillicutty and he's suckin' wind on his way to first after a dismal grounder to the pitcher. He's a screamer and a sore loser. He's not out there for fun nor the game . . . he's out there because he wasn't good enough for minor league ball and he just might be good enough for a couple of base hits against a pathetic reflection of himself.

By the way, you're a killer axe man. Possibly one of the best to come out of that Texas shit hole. Maybe if you thought your art didn't smell like shit you'd be socializing with Billy Gibbons and Beyonce right now. Think of the killer drugs those two have?

As far as Coppola and Herzog go, Coppola was pressured by a Hollywood studio to make something as good as both Godfather flicks and Herzog was not. Coppola had a lot of smoke being blown up his ass because he was making people assloads of money. Herzog was making great films. Coppola's ideals got twisted from his Zoetrope days because the Godfather Saga completely revolutionized American Cinema and pulled in uncountable sums of money, so there's no doubt he was under a lot of pressure when making Apocalpyse Now. He most likely thought GREAT ART=GREAT $UCC$$. (Of course, Coppola's best films came a couple of years later when he made The Outsiders and Rumble Fish due to his obsession with skinny young men/boys.)

October 1, 2007 1:09:00 AM EDT  
Blogger baleen said...

Head Stapler,
GOTO ubu.com and pick up Gertud Stien's take on Matisse. I forget how long it is, under five. The repetition is claustrophopic.

October 1, 2007 3:52:00 AM EDT  
Blogger Head Stapler said...

Got it Baleen.

As for baseball.. All I know is that, as a little girl, I saw Darryl Strawberry hit a home run and for some reason, at that moment in time, I felt like a shitload of people got shoved into a mass grave.. the kind of dick-heads who should go into mass graves that is... at the time... as a little girl might wish... Okay. That was probably bad too. Whatever. I'm a Steelers fan. What do I know about tact and reason?

And as far as Herzog goes... I'm working on it. And so far, no one has been able to set digesting him, up straight for me, in a way I relate to... even after seeing his films... maybe I have bad eyes. Maybe I look too hard.

October 1, 2007 4:08:00 AM EDT  
Blogger The Sparrows of Happiness said...

I think that being a famous, drugged out zombie guitarist would be cool for a while, until you got to be Keith Richards and had to have someone change your diaper.

HS, I don't know the context you were watching that game from, but I will say this: the only time I've ever even briefly considered mass graves when watching sports is when Notre Dame Football takes the field, and I got over that pretty fast and would be merely content with them being beat 57-3.

October 1, 2007 11:17:00 AM EDT  
Blogger Head Stapler said...

Mass graves and sports, finally together at last.

October 1, 2007 2:29:00 PM EDT  
Blogger Head Stapler said...

Baleen,

You weren't kidding about the repetition of the Matisse piece. I'll put it on the next podcast, unless you request something else.

HS

October 1, 2007 9:56:00 PM EDT  
Blogger ms. rosa said...

such a nice post, ramon.

i like when people ask me "what i do". i like to say i'm a mom and a secretary. not that those aren't things i should be proud of but it really does only paint part of the picture. it's like the anti-thesis to an ego. not that i'm not self-aware that i have a creative/imaginative side but i get a kick out keeping my spirit on the down-low.

i don't ever not want to stop being a working stiff. whoa triple negative. i mean, i can't fire myself so how would i ever get a vacation otherwise?

October 1, 2007 11:14:00 PM EDT  
Blogger dd said...

Ramon, did you ever consider that maybe this guy just didn't want to tell you that he ... I dunno ... likes dressing up in diapers and being spanked, or something? Some non-negligible population must have hobbies that they don't feel comfortable talking about, maybe you've run into one of them.

Then again, I do think a lot of people just get lost in the day-to-day maintenance of life.

October 2, 2007 2:50:00 PM EDT  
Blogger Ramon Medina - LP4 said...

I'd considered that but at today's meeting she was proud to say that she was going to see Live and Collective Soul becasue she hadn't been out to see a concert since High School.

I think the thing is there are people who do just go throught the everyday mantenance of life. It's pretty easy to pay the bills and just sit in front of the TV with a frozen dinner - it's easy to do. Me, I figure if I have to die every day for 9 hours, I may as well do something to counteract that.

October 2, 2007 3:03:00 PM EDT  
Blogger dd said...

If I were to draw a Venn Diagram consisting of "Collective Soul fans" and "Kinky Motherfuckers", it would look like two circles on opposite sides of a page. So, yeah, safe guess.

October 5, 2007 6:49:00 AM EDT  

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