happy Easter!
I saw Immortal this week. I may write something longer about Norwegians in greasepaint playing black metal at a later date, but Easter feels an odd day to discuss it.
In lieu of that, here is some happy Sesame Street footage.
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Okay, a bit more. The guys I saw Thursday night look like this:

and they make videos like this:
(a series of stylistic decisions, of course, that leaves them ripe for detournements such as this:)
But. Here's the thing.
They are so fucking metal. They could not possibly be any more metal. One of the people who convinced me to go to the show was a hardcore metal fan, the kind of guy who drops names like Decapitator and Mayhem the way I drop Superchunk and The Mountain Goats. He has long hair, solely for the purpose of thrashing in a circle at metal shows. (I asked.) And he turned to me halfway through and said, "This is the most metal experience of my life!"
And that was without the firebreathing, which sadly didn't happen. It was just ninety minutes of full-on metal, with lots of shades of darkness. Despite my near-chronic inability to recognize different metal songs, it never became boring to me, and the fact that this was a cathartic and legendary experience for those around me who may have been waiting almost twenty years for it just added to the joy.
So, yeah. It was awesome. Especially the bit near the end where the singer said in his Cookie Monster voice: "Thank you, Auckland ... Australia!" The riff started, and six seconds he later he came to the mic, realizing his mistake, and added, "New Zealand! Sorry!".
(Incidentally, I learned at this show that metal shows have very little applause between songs, because everybody is holding their hands in the air making the metal sign after shows.)
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The issue I was alluding to at the top, and one I haven't got my head around properly writing about, is to whether I should or should not have an ethical issue spending money - and in Immortal's case, it was a LOT of money ($80 NZ) - on bands who have beliefs I find disturbing. Now, in Immortal's case, the more I investigate the less I find to really bother me - these guys aren't killing their bandmates or burning down churches. And really, if the choice of values is this:
or this:
or this:
then it's not that problematic for me to spend $80 on what's behind door #1. But I do think it is an issue all too easily dodged. On a seemingly unrelated tangent, I've been listening a lot to Clipse lately, who are fully awesome but also fully dedicated to their subject matter of cocaine dealing and related material acquisition:
Of course, Clipse would not give a shit if I said "hey, why guys gotta rap about coke?" - they basically say that in so many words on the WE GOT IT FOR CHEAP VOL. 3 mix-tape, which is credited to Re-Up Gang but includes members of Clipse.
But I do think a lot about what values are being put into the world. And while I don't think good values makes good music -
- (and fuck, I didn't remember that song being THAT bad) -
- I'm not sure if they're mutually exclusive. Anyway, this is more a "something I'm mulling on" than "something I've reached any conclusions over".
Hope you had a good Easter weekend.
In lieu of that, here is some happy Sesame Street footage.
--------
Okay, a bit more. The guys I saw Thursday night look like this:

and they make videos like this:
(a series of stylistic decisions, of course, that leaves them ripe for detournements such as this:)
But. Here's the thing.
They are so fucking metal. They could not possibly be any more metal. One of the people who convinced me to go to the show was a hardcore metal fan, the kind of guy who drops names like Decapitator and Mayhem the way I drop Superchunk and The Mountain Goats. He has long hair, solely for the purpose of thrashing in a circle at metal shows. (I asked.) And he turned to me halfway through and said, "This is the most metal experience of my life!"
And that was without the firebreathing, which sadly didn't happen. It was just ninety minutes of full-on metal, with lots of shades of darkness. Despite my near-chronic inability to recognize different metal songs, it never became boring to me, and the fact that this was a cathartic and legendary experience for those around me who may have been waiting almost twenty years for it just added to the joy.
So, yeah. It was awesome. Especially the bit near the end where the singer said in his Cookie Monster voice: "Thank you, Auckland ... Australia!" The riff started, and six seconds he later he came to the mic, realizing his mistake, and added, "New Zealand! Sorry!".
(Incidentally, I learned at this show that metal shows have very little applause between songs, because everybody is holding their hands in the air making the metal sign after shows.)
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The issue I was alluding to at the top, and one I haven't got my head around properly writing about, is to whether I should or should not have an ethical issue spending money - and in Immortal's case, it was a LOT of money ($80 NZ) - on bands who have beliefs I find disturbing. Now, in Immortal's case, the more I investigate the less I find to really bother me - these guys aren't killing their bandmates or burning down churches. And really, if the choice of values is this:
or this:
or this:
then it's not that problematic for me to spend $80 on what's behind door #1. But I do think it is an issue all too easily dodged. On a seemingly unrelated tangent, I've been listening a lot to Clipse lately, who are fully awesome but also fully dedicated to their subject matter of cocaine dealing and related material acquisition:
Of course, Clipse would not give a shit if I said "hey, why guys gotta rap about coke?" - they basically say that in so many words on the WE GOT IT FOR CHEAP VOL. 3 mix-tape, which is credited to Re-Up Gang but includes members of Clipse.
But I do think a lot about what values are being put into the world. And while I don't think good values makes good music -
- (and fuck, I didn't remember that song being THAT bad) -
- I'm not sure if they're mutually exclusive. Anyway, this is more a "something I'm mulling on" than "something I've reached any conclusions over".
Hope you had a good Easter weekend.


33 Comments:
I think I just had a seizure.
Easter is over in every hemisphere. Let's hear about Immortal.
I think I just shit my pants.
"fag beasts and bloody fags"... Nice one Doug. And on Easter....
How could you do this to us?
I meant to say bloody flags.
If only those WBC people were really such an oddity...
Here's the Landover Baptist Church on children and easter.
Unfortunately these christians are as common as Jim Cramer saying stupid shit and rappers rapping about coke and money...
reading this wholly changed the direction of my day.
did you see this one:
muppet death metal?
Landover Baptist is a long-standing parody. WBC is the real deal.
(I just realized you probably realized that, but I saw Landover quoted on another message board this week as "proof" of Christian insanity.)
Jim, thanks for that link - I didn't watch it. I get the impression that repurposed Muppet/Sesame Street footage is a very large YouTube genre.
Yeah, i know Landover is a parody, but i love how there's hardly any difference between the parody and the real deal.
BTW, the WBC were just here "protesting" at Eve Carson's funeral. Nasty bunch.
I'm not sure I understand the precise objection to Burzum. Their aesthetic is sort of Shrek-as-a-Satan-worshipper, but it also bears uncanny resemblance to this 3 Doors Down release, which the National Guard plays in movie theaters before movies has the same kind of vibe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJRthpxDM10
Anyway, I had to look up detournement in three dictionaries before I felt qualified to use it for myself.
loved all the muppet death metal- is working wonders on my depleted sense of humor.
it is worrisome that the fed had to intervene in our financial markets so heavily with the bear sterns fiasco. i have some very strong opinions about the mortgage meltdown (namely that half of the shit this country financed shouldn't have been built in the first place) that i will try to keep to myself lest i start a non-topical debate.
how can the WBC "protest" a murder? just curious.
Anyway, I had to look up detournement in three dictionaries before I felt qualified to use it for myself.
Read this book and you will be a pro.
am pretty sure this list has already gone viral, but i'm posting the link anyway.
Sara, you might be confusing two bands. Burzum is problematic because their singer killed another member of the band (who I've always heard that he killed for being "insufficiently evil"). I believe he also burned down churches and the like. He is currently in jail, though I believe he has recorded at least one album over the jail telephone. It involves lots of screaming and banging metal cups, apparently.
Immortal (the band I saw and whose videos are linked) are part of the same Norwegian black metal scene; I supposed that they got up to similar antics but upon further investigation it's mostly guilt by association. Nonetheless, lyrics like
Sons of northern darkness
Under the throne of the moon
United with forces of evil
And infernal doom
leave little question as to what side they - or the characters they portray in their work - are on, and for me beg the question, "well, if I give this band money, am I uniting with forces of evil and infernal doom as well?"
bluebird, it's weird to call what the WBC does protesting, but that is what they call it. they are not protesting the deaths as such, they protest the funeral, the fact that we feel bad that someone has died, that we mourn, and pay respects, etc. they seem to believe that what we should be doing is being grateful that another sinner has been struck down by the lord (or something like that). Generally they have been protesting military funerals, but recently have been going for any sort of high profile, innocent victim opportunity.
I've always wondered what the WBC does when a church member dies.
Burzum, for all intents and purposes, was one guy, Varg Vikernes, or Count Grishnackh if you're nasty. The guy he killed was named Euronymous, and that dude was the front man for Mayhem. Varg has done some fairly terrible ambient-ish electronic music since going to jail. He has pretty much abandoned metal for more, uh, pastoral stuff I guess you could call it.
As for giving money to people of dubious moral stature, I would hope you are giving them money to buy their records, and not because you are "uniting with forces of evil and infernal doom as well." Besides, those jokers in Immoratal seem like pussycats.
For me, being a big metal fan leads me into all sorts of ridiculous territory. It doesn't mean I worship Satan or burn churches or stab my friends. It means I like metal in many of its endless flavors.
Should we do background checks now before we listen to someone's music? I hope not.
You know why I don't listen to acts like Screwdriver or GG Allin or Nickelback or Varg for that matter? Because their music sucks, and not because they are racists, murderers, pedophilian pigfuckers, and morons.
I'm not having these people over for tea, I'm listening to their music, and there is much more to music then the ideology of those who made it.
I may not post today because I have nothing of value to say. I'm empty and this sucks.
Well said John. And i mostly agree with you. However I don't find it always so easy to judge music strictly on the music. when i know nothing about the creators except their music that works out fine. But sometimes, when i find out something about the person behind the music, it begins to color how I hear the music. In some cases the music can be powerful enough for me to ignore the people behind it, but in other cases there seems no way of getting around it. for example finding out that Jonathan Richman can be a huge cock, has tainted the way i listen to his music.
Well, keep his music out of your asshole and you should be fine.
That's what i've done, John. But I've done that based on his person. If i had never known about his douchebaginness, I might still be enjoying his music (maybe).
You'll have to excuse me, Carlos. I thought you said you had heard he had a huge cock. Major difference. Wow, what a Freudian slip.
ahhahahaha. good one Mr. Cramer.
Whoops. Totally confused about Burzum and Immortal. I meant Immortal. I've got no problem having objections with Burzum.
I guess I see your point about being with sons of northern darkness and infernal evil. But it's one thing to say your on the side of infernal evil, and another to say -- for instance -- that you are on the side of right and democracy and then bomb the fuck out of Iraq, killing 90,000 innocent civilians. Which I think was kind of your point, so sorry for repeating it.
Sons of Northern Darkness are just a red herring to make CNBC believe that it's not evil.
And I've been meaning to read _Lipstick Traces_ for uh, 18 years.
I have bought one Burzum album and I really like it, musically speaking. And I hope that my internal moral dialogue isn't taken as hectoring about what you should or shouldn't do. The point (which I don't think I made clearly) is less one of giving money to people of dubious moral stature and more to giving money to people whose goal is to promulgate dubious ideologies.
But then, arguably all capitalist activities from buying food to gas fall in the latter category.
Interestingly, one of the responses on YouTube to WBC is from a representative of the Church of Satan, apologizing (amongst other things) to Canada.
Who wants to bet in six months Google brings some crazy comments on this thread?
speaking of.. I wish there was a way to know which old post-people were commenting on we moderate their comment.
And I believe that if you are breathing, you are evil.
Claire, I'm not sure what either of those statements mean.
"I wish there was a way to know which old post-people were commenting on we moderate their comment." This just seems like its missing a verb or something, or maybe the hyphen is in the wrong place?
The second statement, I wonder if you are serious. Being how i am, i would assume you are not, but you've said before things along those lines, so i wonder if you care to expand on the statement.
Whenever I have moderated comments in the past, I don't always know which blog post the visitor is commenting on especially if it is an old post. Am I crazy? Are you able to determine what post the comment is on?
And as far as explaining what I mean about everyone being evil...
Everyone is evil in that they are complicated creatures who act freely under whatever belief system they adopt. In the end, it doesn't matter what we believe. Through our brief history we have all proven that we don't have what it takes to deliver Earth from our terrible, horrible, no-good grip. We can choose not to buy an album by some bored miscreants using ridiculous face paint to propel their career. No big deal. I wish the choice to deny overt christianity access into my life was as easy as not supporting a band. I wish that I could choose NOT to support the church. I don't have choice. So, for me... these artists on the fringe of politics playing with the devil are nothing in the war against god. God's people are winning, so who gives a fuck if the dark side sells some records.
I'm not being really clear here. There's a couple of things I am thinking of.
Mostly, when it comes to judging what members of society are offering more to the advancement of humanity and this earth over another group... I want to fucking barf. In that sense, we are all evil.
And I believe we are all "evil" without option. My version of evil is likely more organic than what most people think of.
Consideration of evil as a REAL thing, will take us directly to mental health and is entirely relative. I would be happy to go there, but I am not that organized. I get letters from my kid brother who believes in an EVIL the likes that none of us have ever seen, but that's because he is mentally ill. I use the phrase,
"Everyone is evil" to offset the notion that any one person can be evil... because I just don't see communities having no responsibility in the health of it's citizens. Kind of like... We are all HIV+... but without the defined borders. jesus. What the fuck happened to my point.
I firmly believe that smart DNA from an unkwown source was mixed, perhaps jokingly, with that of an ape. Someone, somewhere is watching how we muttle through that ackward combination of genes. We're not necessarily evil, but instead driven by these strong animal instincts to rape, plunder, and start wars under false pretenses. Welcome to the human race.
I don't get death metal. Maybe I haven't been too necessarily angry to have such an appreciation for it. That is my Interpretation of it anyway.
Emar
Thanks claire, i think that shed some good light on your statement. I asked becuase it seems the WBC also thinks everyone is evil.
as for teh moderation of old comments, i dont know where they go either. and i also wish there was a way to know. often if i see a comment that i know its for an old post i might leave it hoping the writer of the post might recognize it, but i realize most of the time that is practically impossible. I wish blogger would just tell you what post the comment is for...
Me too, Carlos. I've let comments through that in retrospect I probably shouldn't have, including a pretty pathetic attack on me that had nothing to do with the blog at all and had everything to do with the person being a shallow lowlife who ought to mind their own fucking business. Oops, did I say that out loud?
I know Jonathan Richman is an ass, but I'm going to ignore that for as long as possible.
Who would he not let open for him a decade ago in Houston at Fitzgerald's? I can't remember, but that almost clinched it. Until I erased it from my mind.
Of course my friend from Mass. told me about it long ago when she secretly interviewed him with a hidden tape recorder. But apparently everybody is an ass in Mass.
Did I say that outloud?
Woody's Jukebox.
Those are the ones! And then just the guitarist was allowed to open.
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