Comments on: Tied to the 90s http://www.nonalignmentpact.com/2008/10/tied-to-90s.html Music in Seven Days from Seven Writers Wed, 08 Feb 2012 04:42:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: mrshl http://www.nonalignmentpact.com/2008/10/tied-to-90s.html/comment-page-1#comment-9131 mrshl Wed, 22 Oct 2008 12:49:00 +0000 http://www.preddys.com/NAP/?p=818#comment-9131 Woah. I came back and there are all these comments I missed after I stopped watching the thread. I'm still re-thinking this whole thing.<br/><br/>Frankly, I think Mr. Anaconda is probably right. My chutes is too narrow. I have got to explore other fields. I suppose I already know that. It's one of the reasons I've been listening to so much 50s and 60s country. So much rich music has been forgotten, that it's easy to find something new by going back in time. Woah. I came back and there are all these comments I missed after I stopped watching the thread. I’m still re-thinking this whole thing.

Frankly, I think Mr. Anaconda is probably right. My chutes is too narrow. I have got to explore other fields. I suppose I already know that. It’s one of the reasons I’ve been listening to so much 50s and 60s country. So much rich music has been forgotten, that it’s easy to find something new by going back in time.

]]> By: stacey http://www.nonalignmentpact.com/2008/10/tied-to-90s.html/comment-page-1#comment-9106 stacey Thu, 16 Oct 2008 21:53:00 +0000 http://www.preddys.com/NAP/?p=818#comment-9106 Interpol is new? I totally thought it was some band from the 80s I just wasn't aware of. I had it in my mind that they were on one of the posters in Ferris Bueller's Day off.<br/><br/>I think that's what is interesting about not knowing much about what is out there. It could be old, or new, or from the US or not. How can you tell?<br/><br/>But I WAS thinking just today that the stuff I like that makes me happy sometimes doesn't make me happy and I actually feel the need to find music like Cramer and Claire like. Weird! <br/><br/>it's like I haven't had sushi in awhile and though I wouldn't want it everyday, it's part of my tableau and refreshes the other music once I go back to it.<br/><br/>I am blabbing on a post that no one has visited in days.<br/><br/>blah blah blah<br/><br/>Justin, I'm going to disagree with you the long tail. Many people get the popular but more people Combined get the niche stuff.<br/><br/>Damn, I've built my business on customization and niche-y stuff. Don't go telling me I'm wrong now brother!<br/><br/>And lastly, on this comment that no one will read, I find it so enjoyable that I can find a band at least several times a year that has a song that blows my mind. I can count on it. That's all that matters to me.<br/><br/>Oh, and yeah, you're getting old. Interpol is new? I totally thought it was some band from the 80s I just wasn’t aware of. I had it in my mind that they were on one of the posters in Ferris Bueller’s Day off.

I think that’s what is interesting about not knowing much about what is out there. It could be old, or new, or from the US or not. How can you tell?

But I WAS thinking just today that the stuff I like that makes me happy sometimes doesn’t make me happy and I actually feel the need to find music like Cramer and Claire like. Weird!

it’s like I haven’t had sushi in awhile and though I wouldn’t want it everyday, it’s part of my tableau and refreshes the other music once I go back to it.

I am blabbing on a post that no one has visited in days.

blah blah blah

Justin, I’m going to disagree with you the long tail. Many people get the popular but more people Combined get the niche stuff.

Damn, I’ve built my business on customization and niche-y stuff. Don’t go telling me I’m wrong now brother!

And lastly, on this comment that no one will read, I find it so enjoyable that I can find a band at least several times a year that has a song that blows my mind. I can count on it. That’s all that matters to me.

Oh, and yeah, you’re getting old.

]]> By: John Cramer http://www.nonalignmentpact.com/2008/10/tied-to-90s.html/comment-page-1#comment-9101 John Cramer Tue, 14 Oct 2008 23:33:00 +0000 http://www.preddys.com/NAP/?p=818#comment-9101 Think about how many people are out there making music at any given time. And then think about the fact that what constitutes "good" music is purely, and I do mean purely subjective. Then the time/good-music duality seems thinner and thinner.<br/><br/>Music is great. Great music is whatever you want it to be. <br/><br/>The Pixies are still garbage though. That much is absolute. Think about how many people are out there making music at any given time. And then think about the fact that what constitutes “good” music is purely, and I do mean purely subjective. Then the time/good-music duality seems thinner and thinner.

Music is great. Great music is whatever you want it to be.

The Pixies are still garbage though. That much is absolute.

]]> By: Carlos Anaconda http://www.nonalignmentpact.com/2008/10/tied-to-90s.html/comment-page-1#comment-9097 Carlos Anaconda Tue, 14 Oct 2008 13:09:00 +0000 http://www.preddys.com/NAP/?p=818#comment-9097 I dont know Conor, I get your point that creativity and quality in music doesnt run a straight even-keeled line over time, but it seems that saying that this or that period was more or less fertile in creating good music is a bit egocentric. Doesnt it all depend on what you like and what you consider "great" music? Couldnt you say the same about 1971-78, or 80 - 88, or 57 - 63... and that is if you are talking about rock music, if you begin to look a bit outside of that group, dates become even more irrelevant. I dont know Conor, I get your point that creativity and quality in music doesnt run a straight even-keeled line over time, but it seems that saying that this or that period was more or less fertile in creating good music is a bit egocentric. Doesnt it all depend on what you like and what you consider “great” music? Couldnt you say the same about 1971-78, or 80 – 88, or 57 – 63… and that is if you are talking about rock music, if you begin to look a bit outside of that group, dates become even more irrelevant.

]]> By: Conor http://www.nonalignmentpact.com/2008/10/tied-to-90s.html/comment-page-1#comment-9096 Conor Tue, 14 Oct 2008 08:18:00 +0000 http://www.preddys.com/NAP/?p=818#comment-9096 I think there's a lot of good music being made now, but I also think there are sometimes time periods that are particularly musically fertile. For instance, 1965-1970 produced a lot of great music and originated a number of influential subgenres. I think 1991-1996 or thereabouts was another high point. I think there’s a lot of good music being made now, but I also think there are sometimes time periods that are particularly musically fertile. For instance, 1965-1970 produced a lot of great music and originated a number of influential subgenres. I think 1991-1996 or thereabouts was another high point.

]]> By: baleen http://www.nonalignmentpact.com/2008/10/tied-to-90s.html/comment-page-1#comment-9095 baleen Tue, 14 Oct 2008 06:47:00 +0000 http://www.preddys.com/NAP/?p=818#comment-9095 Its kinda like Neurosis, Mouth of the Architect, Isis, and Cult of Luna-all wildly divergent in their sound and approach. Meh. <br/><br/>Nirvana wouldn't have been shit w/ out the Pixies and you know where all that led. "The Year Punk Broke".<br/><br/>Yes, we are moving our feet to the motion of buildings...<br/><br/>BTW- saw William E. last night. Fuckin savage, I say to this day! Its kinda like Neurosis, Mouth of the Architect, Isis, and Cult of Luna-all wildly divergent in their sound and approach. Meh.

Nirvana wouldn’t have been shit w/ out the Pixies and you know where all that led. “The Year Punk Broke”.

Yes, we are moving our feet to the motion of buildings…

BTW- saw William E. last night. Fuckin savage, I say to this day!

]]> By: John Cramer http://www.nonalignmentpact.com/2008/10/tied-to-90s.html/comment-page-1#comment-9094 John Cramer Tue, 14 Oct 2008 02:58:00 +0000 http://www.preddys.com/NAP/?p=818#comment-9094 I like some of the stuff you mention and pretty much hate the rest. Take, for instance, the Pixies. I have never even for a moment found myself in agreement with the movement to canonize them. Further still, I am almost at a total loss over the Arcade Fire.<br/><br/>Finding singular acts in any genre isn't too hard as long as you recognize that there are only a few per genre and that the rest are either passable if not totally derivative or else downright terrible. This goes for any generation.<br/><br/>There's nothing objective about your assessment of 90s indie-rock supergroups. Sebadoh to me is generally speaking totally boring. What you love is yours to love alone, but that's a good thing, no?<br/><br/>There's nothing wrong with loving what you like, but there is something very wrong with thinking that you have it nailed down because it simply works for you.<br/><br/>Seriously, singularity is in the eye of the beholder.<br/><br/>I have never heard anyone that sounds like Celine Dion and I think we all know what we feel about her stuff.<br/><br/>Do I think the music I like is better than the stuff you like? Of course, because it is, but that doesn't mean shit to you. Plus, wasn't it Justin who pointed out the similarities between Stereolab and other loungy, hip and clever groups?<br/><br/>I am glad you love whatever you love, but you're wrong in thinking it's lovable to you because it is inherently good.<br/><br/>It's like the Nazis. <br/><br/>I win. I like some of the stuff you mention and pretty much hate the rest. Take, for instance, the Pixies. I have never even for a moment found myself in agreement with the movement to canonize them. Further still, I am almost at a total loss over the Arcade Fire.

Finding singular acts in any genre isn’t too hard as long as you recognize that there are only a few per genre and that the rest are either passable if not totally derivative or else downright terrible. This goes for any generation.

There’s nothing objective about your assessment of 90s indie-rock supergroups. Sebadoh to me is generally speaking totally boring. What you love is yours to love alone, but that’s a good thing, no?

There’s nothing wrong with loving what you like, but there is something very wrong with thinking that you have it nailed down because it simply works for you.

Seriously, singularity is in the eye of the beholder.

I have never heard anyone that sounds like Celine Dion and I think we all know what we feel about her stuff.

Do I think the music I like is better than the stuff you like? Of course, because it is, but that doesn’t mean shit to you. Plus, wasn’t it Justin who pointed out the similarities between Stereolab and other loungy, hip and clever groups?

I am glad you love whatever you love, but you’re wrong in thinking it’s lovable to you because it is inherently good.

It’s like the Nazis.

I win.

]]> By: suzanne78704 http://www.nonalignmentpact.com/2008/10/tied-to-90s.html/comment-page-1#comment-9093 suzanne78704 Mon, 13 Oct 2008 21:56:00 +0000 http://www.preddys.com/NAP/?p=818#comment-9093 This is an interesting discussion and one close to my heart...I have been a music lover since a very young age, and I am a part-time musician. I go through periods where it seems like contemporary music is a wasteland and there's simply nothing out there for me. I was married for 5.5 years and virtually stopped buying/listening/caring about music. Then I got divorced and there was a sea change. I got back to playing and rediscovered my first love, music, in all it's forms.<br/><br/>Even though I live in Austin, Texas, where the band was formed, I have only recently really gotten into Okkervil River and am so happy that I did. My enthusiasm for music has soared once again even higher. I think they have an original sound, albeit in the same family as Arcade Fire and the Decemberists, and they've inspired me to play and write more. This is an interesting discussion and one close to my heart…I have been a music lover since a very young age, and I am a part-time musician. I go through periods where it seems like contemporary music is a wasteland and there’s simply nothing out there for me. I was married for 5.5 years and virtually stopped buying/listening/caring about music. Then I got divorced and there was a sea change. I got back to playing and rediscovered my first love, music, in all it’s forms.

Even though I live in Austin, Texas, where the band was formed, I have only recently really gotten into Okkervil River and am so happy that I did. My enthusiasm for music has soared once again even higher. I think they have an original sound, albeit in the same family as Arcade Fire and the Decemberists, and they’ve inspired me to play and write more.

]]> By: Carlos Anaconda http://www.nonalignmentpact.com/2008/10/tied-to-90s.html/comment-page-1#comment-9088 Carlos Anaconda Mon, 13 Oct 2008 02:31:00 +0000 http://www.preddys.com/NAP/?p=818#comment-9088 I think your scope is too narrow. Extremely narrow actually. I'd even venture to say that in the great world of music, all the bands you mentioned are basically playing variations on a single theme.<br/><br/>Keep your ears open, there is good and new music in the least expected places (many of them not anywhere near your computer). <br/><br/>Ultimately, though, I believe as a listener one becomes the principal composer of the music one hears. In the right context a dripping faucet can become the best music you ever heard, while on the other hand there are all those initial terrible reviews of some of the "greatest" albums ever made, before people realized how "great" they were. I think your scope is too narrow. Extremely narrow actually. I’d even venture to say that in the great world of music, all the bands you mentioned are basically playing variations on a single theme.

Keep your ears open, there is good and new music in the least expected places (many of them not anywhere near your computer).

Ultimately, though, I believe as a listener one becomes the principal composer of the music one hears. In the right context a dripping faucet can become the best music you ever heard, while on the other hand there are all those initial terrible reviews of some of the “greatest” albums ever made, before people realized how “great” they were.

]]> By: Ignatius http://www.nonalignmentpact.com/2008/10/tied-to-90s.html/comment-page-1#comment-9085 Ignatius Sun, 12 Oct 2008 19:14:00 +0000 http://www.preddys.com/NAP/?p=818#comment-9085 I have more to say on this topic and even though I agree with your first premise (nostalgia for music of your youth) I have to disagree to the other that there are no new artists that forging a new path, despite how derivative the sound which some may argue is inescapable more so now because of the wider availability of music.<br/><br/>At this particular moment in time I have discovered more and more bands in the last 5 years or so that is starting to rival the number I discovered in the 90's Whether I will still be listening to them as I do music from the 90's in 10-15 years I don't know. The one act that I will offer that have delivered good and evolving records (and about to release their fifth) is animal collective.<br/><br/>I will expound more on this in a piece I am getting together regarding the My Bloody Valentine curated ATP festival I just attended which speaks almost directly to these points. I have more to say on this topic and even though I agree with your first premise (nostalgia for music of your youth) I have to disagree to the other that there are no new artists that forging a new path, despite how derivative the sound which some may argue is inescapable more so now because of the wider availability of music.

At this particular moment in time I have discovered more and more bands in the last 5 years or so that is starting to rival the number I discovered in the 90′s Whether I will still be listening to them as I do music from the 90′s in 10-15 years I don’t know. The one act that I will offer that have delivered good and evolving records (and about to release their fifth) is animal collective.

I will expound more on this in a piece I am getting together regarding the My Bloody Valentine curated ATP festival I just attended which speaks almost directly to these points.

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