Admitted Affection
Guilty pleasure is the wrong word. My crush on WilsonPhillips is guilty. My absolute love for everything Kanye West, well, that is pure pleasure. But sometimes I get myself into something that’s less than respectable. A band my friends would probably avoid. I think, “Given enough time, this ill-regarded band could make the jump to near respectability.”
Oasis is really the poster child for what I’m talking about. By now enough time has passed that every hipster of a certain age is willing and able to defend those first two Oasis records. Dumb as a bag of hammers? Yes. But they did have some killer lines, didn’t they? And they married their wistful, obvious rhymes an unbeatable streak of great melodies. Took me forever to admit it, but Oasis was a great band. For a little while.
Oasis aren’t alone. There are several bands that might fit the Oasis mold. I don’t mean they’re on the same level quality-wise. Indeed, me and everyone reading this would be better off listening to something else besides the five bands in this post. But at some point, these dudes might turn a corner. Or savvy listeners might re-evaluate their past masters. Maybe they’ve got some good qualities we’ve overlooked. Maybe they aren’t too smart. And sure, they’ve all got some serious weaknesses. But they’ve all achieved critical mass at some point (if not critical approval). Some of them are still very popular. Yet, for some reason, people with actual taste haven’t quite given in.
This post is basically me wondering aloud: do these bands have significant redeeming qualities? Such that you might want to be acquainted? For your convenience, I’ve listed them in order, based on the strength of my recommendation. And the last band on this list probably shouldn’t have made it.
Coldplay
This is the most obvious example, and they may be the closest to that magical moment when knowledgeable music lovers admit, “yeah, I don’t turn them off when I hear one of the singles.” I certainly feel that way. But when it comes to Coldplay’s first record, Parachutes, I don’t merely tolerate it. I fucking love it.
This first track sets a tone for the whole record, with it’s “Ventura Highway” chords, and it’s nautically flanged organ and guitar. The thing is, it’s a wonderful guitar record from beginning to end. And Chris Martin’s lyrics, while occasionally cringe-worthy, are better here than they ever would be again. Yeah that voice is unfuckwithable, but the songs and playing are also first-rate. Sure Parachutes got knocked as Radiohead wannabe. But my dark, guilty secret is that I like Parachutes almost as much as I like The Bends.
Snow Patrol
If you’ve heard of Snow Patrol, you’ve may only be familiar with their execrable major label output, recorded after they realized how much money they could make if they sounded more like Coldplay. But their first two records were totally different than the soaring adult contemporary pap they’re putting out now.
On those first two records, Songs for Polar Bears and When It's All Over We Still Have to Clear Up, they were still awfully sensitive but the hooks weren’t nearly as obvious as they are now. Both early records grew on me precisely because their tender ballads were so subtly well-constructed.
It helped that they sounded more like an American indie band than the treacly wave of British crap that followed Coldplay’s success (e.g., Starsailor, Travis). You’ll hear what I mean here:
Anyway, I dig the hell out of those first two records. But, like Oasis, they haven’t done anything worth a damn since.
The Killers
The jury’s still out on The Killers. I thought they were laughably bad when I saw them open for the Pixies. But then I saw them on Saturday Night Live shortly after the release of their second record. They sounded much better. A little like Bruce Springsteen and Tom Petty had a new-wave baby. Hmmm, I said. Maybe a year or two later, I encountered the same song on Guitar Hero III. Loved it. Lyrics are a bit overwrought, but shit this song is fun.
I fell even harder for “Bones.” They might be stealing from every 80s New Wave ever, but on this song the the production sounds more like Frank Black’s early solo records and They Might Be Giants. I’m sure it’s just the cheesy horns, but it’s an awful lot of fun. Yes, I said fun again.
Third Eye Blind
When I worked at the Hard Rock Cafe in Houston, I actually enjoyed waiting tables with a constant stream of music videos blaring all around me. It was a pretty good mix of classic rock (Dire Straits, Beatles), semi-popular indie rock (Pulp, Jeff Buckley) and current buzz faves (remember Eve6???).
Yeah the Buzz bands were my least favorite, too. But there was one buzz song in frequent rotation I always liked to hear: Third Eye Blind’s “Losing a Whole Year.”
More than anything I liked the way it set the pace for me when I was burning a path between my tables and the kitchen, but I noticed something else, too. Third Eye Blind were a lot more musically sophisticated than Hootie or Matchbox20. Losing a Whole Year is a chorus-free hit song, constructed with some odd arpeggios and a wandering bass melody. That self-titled debut also had “How’s it Going to Be”, another of TEB’s banal relationship songs that seems to nevertheless seemed to hit me square in the gut at the time. Maybe that one is a guilty pleasure.
Their second record had much less going for it, but I liked the lead single quite a bit. Here again, I dug the unexpected craftsmanship that you get in otherwise generic, empty-headed buzz hit. Great drum sounds, harmonized bass lines, a bridge that returns seamlessly to the verse and a nice re-imagination of the chorus. The sophistication ceased to be a surprise once I learned that singer Steven Jenkins successfully insisted on producing his own records, and his guitarist and co-writer studied guitar with Joe Satriani (that might explain the focus on composition rather than pure wankery).
Unfortunately, they look like tools in their videos. And that’s probably because they are tools. The songs certainly don’t give you a lot of substance beyond the better-than-average studio chops and some radio-ready hooks. But I tend to evaluate bands relative to their peers. I ask, did this band exceed the mark set by others in their same weight class? The answer has got to be yes. Would you rather listen to Third Eye Blind or 3 Doors Down? When I was at the Hard Rock Cafe, I didn’t have a choice, but I had a pretty clear preference.
Kings of Leon
This last one is difficult to explain or justify. I just love this song. And I keep hoping they’ll write other songs just as good.
Sadly, it’s unlikely to happen. Most of their other songs are pretty crappy. And singer Caleb Followill is easily the worst lyricist in this list. He’s alright when you can barely understand him. But more often than not, you hear him pretty clearly. And all his songs are about sex. I’ve supported this approach in the past (because rock ‘n’ roll really should be about getting it on). But this dude needs to get his head out of his loins. Sample, you ask?
Free- is all that she could bleed
That's why'll she'll never stay
White- bare naked in the night
Just lookin' for some playJust another girl that wants to rule the world
Any time or place
And when she gets into your head
You know she's there to stayYou want it
She's got it
Molly's Chambers gonna change your mind
She's got your
Your pistol
Yeah… it’s pretty bad. Still, of all the Strokes-y bands, I love KoL for their southern bent, clean guitars, and singer distinctive voice. If they could marry that sound with decent songs that weren’t mired in single entendres, I might be able to recommend them more heartily. But hey, they don’t need you or me. They’re fucking huge in Britain.
Just like Oasis.










18 Comments:
Since my opinion is worth little more that just that, I recognize that what I am about to say isn't important.
First, are you admitting your affection for these bands out of guilt as you semi-imply at the opening, or are you holding your head high and shouting it out to the heavens?
Maybe somewhere in the middle?
I'm torn with your post. Personally, I hate all of these bands, save for the occasional Coldplay track (I guess). That means I am having to battle my urge to berate you.
Of course that would serve no purpose. Well, no constructive purpose anyway.
And of course I am sure to love stuff you find as uninspiring and middling as how I view what you've mentioned.
I think my issue with your post is not that you like bands I hate because so what; no, my issue is that I have an fairly unclear idea of what it is you love based on your cumulative posts to date. And to top it off, I respect your opinion as a musician, a music lover, an obviously intelligent guy, etc...
So I am trying to decide if this post takes balls or if I'm just a tool.
I guess I'll just go with the latter.
I am baffled at your tastes. How exciting. My apologies.
In high school, a friend of mine was way into Nirvana and Sonic Youth well before I bought into it. I liked the Black Crowes and Guns 'n' Roses. And although I later came to obsess over bands like the Pixies, Sonic Youth, Dinosaur Jr, and Palace Brothers, I never did gain anything but an academic appreciation for Nirvana. And I still love the first two Black Crowes records and Use Your Illusion. Weird, huh?
So, I followed my classic rock muse deep into Dylan, Simon, Springsteen, Joni Mitchell, and especially the Stones. But before any of that, I was a HUGE Eagles fan. Nearly everything I play and a lot of what I listen to know passes through this fairly narrow prism of classic rock.
That is why my friend told me I had bourgeois music taste. He was, I fear, pretty dead on.
In college, I became knowledgeable about "college rock" but I never really liked punk music. And I didn't like the Cure and the Smiths until well into adulthood. Past the point when such music would have been socially useful to me.
My point is this: I love music, and I probably love a lot of the same bands most my co-NAppers like. But, my musical education is probably not very similar to yours because I used to love REALLY terrible music.
Formative music being as influential as it is, that means I still love really terrible music. Sure, now I know better (maybe). But I think it's still worthwhile to ask some of these questions every now and again:
What did/do I like about BAD music?
What does it have in common with what I like about GOOD music?
Now that I can play music, do I hear it any differently? Is there anything I can salvage?
And finally, if there's an objectively terrible song (assuming for the sake of argument such songs exist), and I love that song, what does it say about me?
I've long ago decided in favor of not caring what other people say about my tastes. I have mixed feelings about this approach, because it's hard not to care if other people you respect think you're a ninny. But I TRY not to care.
I approach music in much the same way I approach politics and religion. I'm no longer an ideologue. There may be a correct answer. But I probably don't know what it is. And I don't think any one system or path is going to get me all the way there to what's right and good.
So I love what I love, and I ask questions later. NAP has been a nice opportunity for me to ask some of those questions.
I love, as in fucking LOVE your honesty. And don't be fooled. I grew up with much of the same stuff you did, though I'm sure I may have veered in other directions at some point, but as for my "education," much of the weirdness i got into over the years bled through all the obvious. I, personally, got bored with what was handed to me and that was the birth of me branching out. But I am not one to think that anything musical anyone loves is intrinsically awful.
You know. usually.
There always has to be exceptions.
Don't think I had ever actually heard Third Eye Blind before your post. I've heard a number of times that Oasis's first album is supposed to actually be fairly good, but still have yet to check it out. I really quite like a couple of songs from Coldplay's second album, but have yet to give the first one a listen, despite having a CD-R of it somewhere.
I find it amusing that there seems to be a secondary cycle of cool pertaining to guilty pleasures (or "bad" music or whatever), where the level of acceptability of liking an uncool band seems to rise with the number of people with otherwise "cool" taste who express appreciation for the band. Also there's often a progression from genuine appreciation by these taste pioneers to a wider base of mostly ironic appreciation, to (sometimes) a wider appeal based on more genuine appreciation. Of course, it's highly likely that many of these bands will never see their day of secondary coolness arrive.
It's the ironic appreciation thing that I reject. Instead, I suggest that mediocre, and even terrible bands, have something to offer the thoughtful listener. This is especially true in pop music, because we're all using the same tools and tropes, and shit basically comes down to craft and taste. Some people with deficits in the latter have quite a bit of the former. And vice versa.
I wonder whether we overvalue taste and undervalue craft sometimes.
You labeled this post "MTV" rightly so since we're talking about music here with wide appeal especially to teen-agers. One's tastes do evolve even if one has an acceptance of good craftsmanship. Thinking back to my teen-age record collection, I should hope so.
I saw Coldplay on SNL recently, lord that new song and their performance was a self-pitying nauseous affair.
I had labeled MTV because I initially used a lot of videos from MTV's new video site. None of them would load correctly, though. FAIL.
The word "craft" always makes me a little queasy, as if we're talking about pottery. I feel like there's gotta be something more (or sometimes less). Something a little off-kilter, some genetic modification, something weird or unexpected or transcendent, for a song to really achieve lift-off.
And as you noted, sometimes terrible bands do produce hidden gems. I just don't think it's usually when they have their craft in order, I think it's more often when they temporarily throw out the rules or shake it up a little.
I love the pottery reference. That one's killing me.
conor, you're so particular. can't use the word 'craft'? how about we talk 'innovation'? It's so underused these days.
how did they innovate, or.. wait, I know, 'disruptive technology.' Did the bands disrupt the status quo to provide something innovative in the form of... uh... sounds?
Can't we come up with a better way of saying 'sound'?
I like the pottery analogy.
Songs are pottery.
Yes.
I love Oasis. I have all of their albums. The new one is their best since the first two, really wonderful and creative and psychedelic. I like the fact that in this hipster world where bands are supposed to have little cult followings and reject the larger history of rock, Oasis want to be the Rolling Stones. (Or more accurately, the Beatles). Sure they're obnoxious, but they think big, dress cool, and they have the goods to back it up.
And Mrshl, are you calling Guns 'N' Roses, Bruce Springsteen, and Joni Mitchell "really terrible music"? Who has taught you to think this way? Pitchfork.com? I think it is good to balance an appreciation for classic music with a healthy interest in off-the-beaten-track artists. But one is not necessarily more GOOD or BAD than the other.
Good Christ please call me an elitist because I refuse to embrace Oasis. They don't think big. They think small. What's so great about wanting to be some band from the Sixties. Or praying to the God of the History of Rock and Roll. That's like getting all giddy about Harry Connick Jr because he wanted to be like Frank Sinatra thirty years after the fact. You can't shake a stick without hitting an indie band grasping at that Sixties sound. Rock has become a nostalgia genre and all indie rock bands do these days is study the history of rock. There's no innovation, just a bunch of brainless kids and old farts.
Stacey,
No. No. No.
The Eagles have made some really terrible music. Their latest offering was especially bad. Some other things I didn't admit to are likewise terrible. None of the bands you mentioned are terrible. Even G'n'R did some great work before descending into their current awfulness.
I said a lot of things in this post and the comments, including admitting having listened to some awful music. But in that particular paragraph that mentions Springsteen and Mitchell I was pointing out that in highschool I was focused almost entirely on classic rock. I don't regret that focus at all. It's who I am.
Also, no one has "taught me to think this way." If you're going to read my words, you need to assume that I'm a sentient being, capable of rational individualized thought. Doesn't mean I haven't been influenced, but I'm not a prisoner of someone else's tastes and opinions.
Amen.
oops. i meant julie.
Hi Mrshl,
Thanks for the clarification. In that comment that I was responding to you mentioned some music that was formative for you (Black Crowes, G'n'R, Springsteen, etc.) and then you went on to say:
"But, my musical education is probably not very similar to yours because I used to love REALLY terrible music. Formative music being as influential as it is, that means I still love really terrible music."
So since that was the formative music you told us about, I assumed that it was also the music you were describing as really terrible. Hopefully you can see how it was easy for me to draw that conclusion.
I apologize though for insinuating that you are not a sentient being. I feel like the Pitchfork types that I was criticizing think that someone like Sufjan Stevens is cool to like but Bob Dylan isn't worth talking about because he's really famous.
Hey K., I mean that Oasis think big in terms of their ambition, not their innovation.
I can't think of anything else to say besides I like 'em and you don't. Fair enough.
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